1 00:00:08,750 --> 00:00:06,140 holy hell and hallelujah higher side 2 00:00:10,970 --> 00:00:08,760 shatters are you aware did you know have 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:10,980 you seen the memo the higher side chats 4 00:00:15,470 --> 00:00:13,530 is finally doing a live podcast tell 5 00:00:17,930 --> 00:00:15,480 them about it bill okay I don't know 6 00:00:19,279 --> 00:00:17,940 what whatever it is it's not right on 7 00:00:21,109 --> 00:00:19,289 the teleprompter I don't know what that 8 00:00:22,759 --> 00:00:21,119 is I've never seen that oh it's right 9 00:00:24,740 --> 00:00:22,769 bill believe it I know it's something 10 00:00:27,349 --> 00:00:24,750 new but I'm actually doing a live 11 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:27,359 podcast with Ryan Davis and Sam Tripoli 12 00:00:31,939 --> 00:00:29,760 from tinfoil hat what does that mean 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:31,949 well we're gonna do a live podcast from 14 00:00:36,620 --> 00:00:33,930 the stage at the ice house comedy club 15 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:36,630 in Pasadena me Sam Ryan and what seems 16 00:00:39,530 --> 00:00:38,850 like a pretty exciting list of rotating 17 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:39,540 comics 18 00:00:43,369 --> 00:00:41,790 just read them the information I can't 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:43,379 read it there's no there's no words on 20 00:00:54,110 --> 00:00:51,889 folks the higher side chats in 21 00:00:56,869 --> 00:00:54,120 conjunction with the tinfoil hat podcast 22 00:00:59,540 --> 00:00:56,879 Sam Tripoli Ryan Davis and myself are 23 00:01:02,540 --> 00:00:59,550 doing a live show on October 10th at the 24 00:01:04,039 --> 00:01:02,550 ice house comedy club in Pasadena yes 25 00:01:06,050 --> 00:01:04,049 ladies and gentlemen despite the 26 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:06,060 chemtrail Laden skies despite the 27 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:07,590 potential for low-frequency 28 00:01:12,410 --> 00:01:10,110 electromagnetic wave mind manipulation I 29 00:01:14,899 --> 00:01:12,420 Greg Carl would and slinking out of my 30 00:01:17,210 --> 00:01:14,909 deep dark San Diego compound to step out 31 00:01:20,630 --> 00:01:17,220 into the light and talk to real live 32 00:01:22,550 --> 00:01:20,640 human beings for you dear people we're 33 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:22,560 gonna be drinking a little drink smoking 34 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:24,330 a little smoke and rocking a 35 00:01:28,969 --> 00:01:26,310 conspiratorial round table like I've 36 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:28,979 never done before and I need you is what 37 00:01:34,190 --> 00:01:30,630 I'm saying please come join the party 38 00:01:36,469 --> 00:01:34,200 and again October 10th at 10 p.m. for 39 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:36,479 only $10 oh you better believe that 40 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:39,600 magic is real ice house comedy calm for 41 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:41,490 tickets and I'll see you there 42 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:44,720 [\h__\h] thing sucks let's hope not bill 43 00:01:53,210 --> 00:01:46,290 let's hope not 44 00:01:59,520 --> 00:01:56,460 the planets but the Masters almost 45 00:02:02,910 --> 00:01:59,530 surely have a plan this clearly may be 46 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:02,920 something there beyond the realm of man 47 00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:07,390 [Music] 48 00:02:14,230 --> 00:02:10,640 you think you know the less you can be 49 00:02:25,780 --> 00:02:14,240 dude that's true dr. Zaius 50 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:25,790 [Music] 51 00:02:32,250 --> 00:02:27,420 [Applause] 52 00:02:36,940 --> 00:02:34,990 all right higher side shutters we have 53 00:02:38,979 --> 00:02:36,950 spent several shows examining the 54 00:02:40,990 --> 00:02:38,989 symbols and subtext behind Hollywood 55 00:02:42,819 --> 00:02:41,000 films enough to know that many of them 56 00:02:44,770 --> 00:02:42,829 contains some deep messages and 57 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:44,780 archetypes from the embodiment of the 58 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:46,610 monomyth and the hero's journey to 59 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:48,110 messages of alchemical transformation 60 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:50,690 and the encoding of esoterica galore 61 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:52,730 sometimes we learn to see our favorite 62 00:02:56,500 --> 00:02:54,590 movies in a new light or discover 63 00:02:58,899 --> 00:02:56,510 meaningful messages we didn't pick up on 64 00:03:01,149 --> 00:02:58,909 beforehand and for my money there are 65 00:03:03,250 --> 00:03:01,159 few cinema symbolism solvers like 66 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:03,260 today's returning guest Robert W 67 00:03:07,210 --> 00:03:05,780 Sullivan the for if you don't recall on 68 00:03:09,339 --> 00:03:07,220 top of being a best-selling author 69 00:03:11,559 --> 00:03:09,349 Robert is also a lawyer mystic 70 00:03:14,259 --> 00:03:11,569 philosopher and proud 32nd degree 71 00:03:16,449 --> 00:03:14,269 Scottish Rite freemason he's been here 72 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:16,459 twice before initially breaking down his 73 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:18,230 book the Royal Arch of Enoch which 74 00:03:21,729 --> 00:03:20,209 explains that all important ritual and 75 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:21,739 examines other areas of Masonic 76 00:03:25,809 --> 00:03:23,930 influenced philosophy and symbolism and 77 00:03:27,970 --> 00:03:25,819 then he came back on the release of his 78 00:03:29,740 --> 00:03:27,980 second book cinema symbolism where we 79 00:03:32,170 --> 00:03:29,750 talked about the messages in Back to the 80 00:03:34,509 --> 00:03:32,180 Future Fight Club Wizard of Oz The Dark 81 00:03:36,430 --> 00:03:34,519 Knight and several others and now Robert 82 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:36,440 is back in the saddle for a third time 83 00:03:40,869 --> 00:03:38,329 as we get into his latest work cinema 84 00:03:42,670 --> 00:03:40,879 symbolism - electric Boogaloo and we're 85 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:42,680 gonna tackle some new instances of 86 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:44,870 8-millimeter magic so let's get down to 87 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:47,329 it the great celluloid cryptographer and 88 00:03:50,949 --> 00:03:48,769 symbol solver of the silver screen 89 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:50,959 Robert my man welcome back to the higher 90 00:03:55,030 --> 00:03:53,690 side oh my goodness great thank you for 91 00:03:56,589 --> 00:03:55,040 that wonderful introduction 92 00:03:58,449 --> 00:03:56,599 I think out of all the podcasts and 93 00:04:00,970 --> 00:03:58,459 radio shows and TV shows I've ever been 94 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:00,980 on I think you just hit a grand slam for 95 00:04:06,220 --> 00:04:03,410 the best introduction I've ever received 96 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:06,230 that was absolutely fabulous cinema 97 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:08,000 symbolism - electric Boogaloo I should 98 00:04:12,849 --> 00:04:10,250 have Beverly faceted that is the title 99 00:04:14,050 --> 00:04:12,859 or subtitle thank you so much I have me 100 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:14,060 on the higher side chat it's always a 101 00:04:17,229 --> 00:04:15,650 pleasure to be here and I'm looking 102 00:04:18,699 --> 00:04:17,239 forward to the broadcast today 103 00:04:20,589 --> 00:04:18,709 absolutely man 104 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:20,599 to kind and I definitely love to have a 105 00:04:24,430 --> 00:04:22,460 little fun with those intros I feel like 106 00:04:26,230 --> 00:04:24,440 you got to get people psyched up in that 107 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:26,240 first 30 seconds because there's a lot 108 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:28,130 of stuff out there trying to get their 109 00:04:31,689 --> 00:04:29,630 attention so you want them to stick with 110 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:31,699 a show and a good introduction helps 111 00:04:35,550 --> 00:04:33,680 them do that and it is great to have you 112 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:35,560 back man I really love the symbolism 113 00:04:39,460 --> 00:04:37,970 breakdown of films I think it's a great 114 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:39,470 way for people to learn about things 115 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:41,450 like that hero's journey and seemingly 116 00:04:45,790 --> 00:04:44,090 eternal archetypes that embody almost 117 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:45,800 all of them and I also think the 118 00:04:49,510 --> 00:04:47,780 when you see the depth and detail that 119 00:04:50,140 --> 00:04:49,520 goes into the messaging behind certain 120 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:50,150 films 121 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:52,220 it sort of sharpens your eye for these 122 00:04:56,170 --> 00:04:53,810 things in other areas of life and 123 00:04:57,700 --> 00:04:56,180 personally I love being able to justify 124 00:05:00,159 --> 00:04:57,710 all that time sitting in front of the 125 00:05:02,110 --> 00:05:00,169 television but let me kick this off by 126 00:05:04,059 --> 00:05:02,120 asking you about the value of this 127 00:05:05,890 --> 00:05:04,069 overall examination obviously you've 128 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:05,900 studied myth and symbols in more ways 129 00:05:09,850 --> 00:05:08,060 than one and it can just be good fun but 130 00:05:11,379 --> 00:05:09,860 beyond that what do you really think 131 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:11,389 people would get out of this or what do 132 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:12,220 you get out of it 133 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:14,900 yeah I mean for me I just think it's a 134 00:05:18,610 --> 00:05:16,970 fascinating study I really think it's 135 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:18,620 really a new medium that's being created 136 00:05:23,559 --> 00:05:21,650 movies are becoming mythology you will 137 00:05:26,170 --> 00:05:23,569 see this you know with clearly movies 138 00:05:28,779 --> 00:05:26,180 such as Star Wars where I mean this is 139 00:05:30,939 --> 00:05:28,789 you know just permeated material culture 140 00:05:32,469 --> 00:05:30,949 on so many levels and now we have a day 141 00:05:34,869 --> 00:05:32,479 named after this you know may the 4th 142 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:34,879 May the 4th with you I mean it's cinema 143 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:37,490 is just such a powerful form of media 144 00:05:41,559 --> 00:05:40,099 it's just interesting to see I mean that 145 00:05:43,059 --> 00:05:41,569 this goes back in time I mean you know 146 00:05:44,469 --> 00:05:43,069 you get the printing press and you find 147 00:05:46,059 --> 00:05:44,479 hidden messages and meanings in the 148 00:05:48,399 --> 00:05:46,069 works of Shakespeare and then you get 149 00:05:50,050 --> 00:05:48,409 into operas with Mozart and The Magic 150 00:05:52,450 --> 00:05:50,060 Flute and certainly an Egyptian 151 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:52,460 influence and the Illuminati and Masonic 152 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:55,039 overtones with that play and you know 153 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:57,199 with that opera and then cinema comes 154 00:06:01,390 --> 00:05:58,880 along and you know here we go again and 155 00:06:03,790 --> 00:06:01,400 even from cinemas an early inception we 156 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:03,800 have movie such as metropolis which you 157 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:05,690 know as a silent film that is overloaded 158 00:06:09,309 --> 00:06:07,669 with Gnostic and occult symbolism and 159 00:06:11,379 --> 00:06:09,319 themes and you know going through the 160 00:06:12,939 --> 00:06:11,389 ages you know the decades where you get 161 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:12,949 into movies like Frankenstein with 162 00:06:17,439 --> 00:06:15,770 Gollum creation and Dracula and then you 163 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:17,449 get into the James Bond stuff and The 164 00:06:21,909 --> 00:06:19,490 Wizard of Oz and it's just movies have 165 00:06:23,140 --> 00:06:21,919 become such a powerful influence in 166 00:06:25,300 --> 00:06:23,150 material culture I think it's a 167 00:06:29,110 --> 00:06:25,310 fascinating study to see the lengths and 168 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:29,120 how this esoteric great Arcana turns up 169 00:06:33,100 --> 00:06:31,490 in film and it's something that like I 170 00:06:34,089 --> 00:06:33,110 said I won't belabor the question it's 171 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:34,099 something that began for me with the 172 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:36,050 Royal Arch of Enoch just decoding and 173 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:37,690 deciphering this Masonic symbolism 174 00:06:42,100 --> 00:06:39,889 philosophy and Loren how much it 175 00:06:44,260 --> 00:06:42,110 permeated society especially here in the 176 00:06:46,059 --> 00:06:44,270 United States and then to discover you 177 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:46,069 know it in movies and then you get this 178 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:47,840 different layers of movies with like you 179 00:06:53,529 --> 00:06:50,690 said archetypes and numbers and esoteric 180 00:06:55,089 --> 00:06:53,539 themes and the monomyth and the occult - 181 00:06:56,290 --> 00:06:55,099 fascinating study for me and I'm real 182 00:06:58,839 --> 00:06:56,300 happy to say that I share this 183 00:06:59,590 --> 00:06:58,849 fascination with a lot of people because 184 00:07:02,770 --> 00:06:59,600 you know 185 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:02,780 bookshelf right heaven and you added a 186 00:07:07,510 --> 00:07:04,880 lot of great new movies to the pile in 187 00:07:09,730 --> 00:07:07,520 this latest collection and one guy I was 188 00:07:11,980 --> 00:07:09,740 really interested to see in there was 189 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:11,990 Alan Moore of course he's written the 190 00:07:16,090 --> 00:07:14,090 source material for V for Vendetta and 191 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:16,100 The Watchmen two movies I'm a huge fan 192 00:07:20,770 --> 00:07:18,230 of although I think he protested turning 193 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:20,780 his stuff into films but still what can 194 00:07:24,430 --> 00:07:22,730 you say about the man and the contents 195 00:07:25,990 --> 00:07:24,440 of his work interesting guy right oh 196 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:26,000 absolutely 197 00:07:30,940 --> 00:07:28,070 Moore is a neo Gnostic and a neo-pagan 198 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:30,950 and an occultist and this is more I'm 199 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:32,540 speaking about I mean he is very 200 00:07:37,930 --> 00:07:35,810 anti-christian you know he is not a fan 201 00:07:40,030 --> 00:07:37,940 of the Abrahamic faiths and this turns 202 00:07:42,700 --> 00:07:40,040 up in his work you know I dissected 203 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:42,710 three movies in cinema symbolism to the 204 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:44,090 two you mentioned and the third one was 205 00:07:48,250 --> 00:07:45,770 from Hell which deals with a lot of 206 00:07:50,410 --> 00:07:48,260 alchemical free Masonic veiled overtones 207 00:07:53,740 --> 00:07:50,420 in it but yeah the guy is very esoteric 208 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:53,750 and you know into the occult so why 209 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:55,370 wouldn't they turn up in his films no 210 00:07:59,050 --> 00:07:56,690 surprise there I know that in some 211 00:08:01,000 --> 00:07:59,060 instances he's not a fan of the material 212 00:08:02,530 --> 00:08:01,010 and he gets into this interplay of I get 213 00:08:03,820 --> 00:08:02,540 asked this all the time is you know what 214 00:08:06,130 --> 00:08:03,830 a movie is based on the work of an 215 00:08:07,660 --> 00:08:06,140 author does the movie sometimes take on 216 00:08:09,250 --> 00:08:07,670 a life of its own or do they use the 217 00:08:11,530 --> 00:08:09,260 author's work and clearly with Alan 218 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:11,540 Moore you know you'll find the occult 219 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:13,850 symbolism within the comics without 220 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:15,980 question and yeah he's an interesting 221 00:08:20,110 --> 00:08:17,690 character and they're interesting movies 222 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:20,120 and I have a whole chapter on Alan Moore 223 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:21,770 so if you're interested in his material 224 00:08:27,430 --> 00:08:23,930 in his movies by all means read cinema 225 00:08:30,690 --> 00:08:27,440 symbolism - mm-hmm and I kind of vibe 226 00:08:32,890 --> 00:08:30,700 with the guy because he seems like a 227 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:32,900 anti-authoritarian or anti-corporate 228 00:08:38,620 --> 00:08:35,510 type of guy he probably doesn't like the 229 00:08:40,779 --> 00:08:38,630 materialism oh you know his work being 230 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:40,789 used in that way and of course that Guy 231 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:43,250 Fawkes mask is now a huge pop-culture 232 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:44,810 meme that probably wouldn't be there if 233 00:08:49,690 --> 00:08:46,880 it weren't for the movie and that 234 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:49,700 definitely has affected and cheapens to 235 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:51,890 me my love for the film a little bit 236 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:53,300 because you just hate to see that kind 237 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:54,070 of stuff 238 00:08:58,780 --> 00:08:57,770 co-opted in that way sure sure sure yeah 239 00:09:00,880 --> 00:08:58,790 I mean totally he is definitely 240 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:00,890 anti-corporate he's anti-government I 241 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:02,090 believe he has stated that he's an 242 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:04,490 anarchist and clearly in movies like V 243 00:09:08,110 --> 00:09:06,170 for Vendetta you will have this Gnostic 244 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:08,120 rebellion against government I mean you 245 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:10,760 had the whole pail and Adam and Eve BV 246 00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:12,650 Adam sutler the head of Norse fire 247 00:09:16,820 --> 00:09:13,440 England 248 00:09:17,510 --> 00:09:16,830 it's the cross or rain the Knights 249 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Templar 250 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:19,290 so it's this oppressive Christian 251 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:21,600 right-wing government and of course this 252 00:09:25,490 --> 00:09:22,890 is something that he would have great 253 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:25,500 derision for I like it in V for Vendetta 254 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:28,530 where the name of the power where the 255 00:09:32,390 --> 00:09:30,090 Norse fire government you know in the 256 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:32,400 propaganda machine is the Jordan power I 257 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:33,810 mean that's a clear reference to the 258 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:36,180 Jordan River critical to the Abrahamic 259 00:09:39,890 --> 00:09:38,250 faiths of Christianity and Judaism so 260 00:09:41,530 --> 00:09:39,900 there you find an example of Mors 261 00:09:43,850 --> 00:09:41,540 disdain for those two religions 262 00:09:45,830 --> 00:09:43,860 absolutely the whole interplay with the 263 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:45,840 mask you know the movie revolves around 264 00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:48,180 the guys Fox Gunpowder Plot that's 265 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:49,710 interesting as well many people may not 266 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:51,570 know that like you said the mask has 267 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:53,130 taken on a life of its own to be the 268 00:09:57,140 --> 00:09:54,810 symbol of anonymous and sort of 269 00:09:59,660 --> 00:09:57,150 anti-government symbolism what's very 270 00:10:01,580 --> 00:09:59,670 interesting in this is the guy Fox was 271 00:10:04,100 --> 00:10:01,590 actually that the Gunpowder Plot was 272 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:04,110 actually a Jesuit conspiracy to topple 273 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:05,970 the English government this was all part 274 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:07,890 of the Counter Reformation so when you 275 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:09,570 see those guys awesome ass turning up 276 00:10:13,250 --> 00:10:11,370 from befriended vendetta you're actually 277 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:13,260 looking at pretty much a Jesuit symbol 278 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:14,970 so the irony is so thick you could 279 00:10:18,110 --> 00:10:16,890 really cut it with a knife but you know 280 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:18,120 that's how all this works 281 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:20,640 it's a subterfuge its cell within a cell 282 00:10:26,330 --> 00:10:23,690 it's reaction in counter reaction or 283 00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:26,340 reaction and then anti reaction in this 284 00:10:30,740 --> 00:10:28,380 case it's an interesting symbol it's an 285 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:30,750 interesting movie loads of Gnostic 286 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:32,730 overtones in it and you know by all 287 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:34,740 means definitely check out V for 288 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:36,570 Vendetta it's a great film and like I 289 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:37,890 said it was a pleasure to take it on in 290 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:40,560 a cinema symbolism to yeah and as much 291 00:10:44,420 --> 00:10:42,420 as I like that movie and as many times 292 00:10:46,220 --> 00:10:44,430 as I seen it you do point out a lot that 293 00:10:47,570 --> 00:10:46,230 I can't believe I never really noticed 294 00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:47,580 like the way you break down the 295 00:10:51,020 --> 00:10:48,750 characters you kind of mentioned that 296 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:51,030 earlier but you know Evy Hammond is 297 00:10:54,380 --> 00:10:52,620 symbolically Eve going through the 298 00:10:57,350 --> 00:10:54,390 transformation to Lilith that the 299 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:57,360 tyrannical dictator his name is Adam in 300 00:11:01,880 --> 00:10:59,250 the film that he would be the embodiment 301 00:11:03,620 --> 00:11:01,890 of the Demiurge it's like a very gnostic 302 00:11:05,570 --> 00:11:03,630 thing kind of to take characters from 303 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:05,580 the old myths and twist them around and 304 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:07,410 put them in different roles when you say 305 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:10,440 oh absolutely you clearly have you know 306 00:11:15,079 --> 00:11:12,720 the Demiurge like dictator Adam sutler 307 00:11:17,090 --> 00:11:15,089 then you have the Luciferian light 308 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:17,100 bearer of V coming into the sort of 309 00:11:22,220 --> 00:11:19,770 Norse fire garden of eating seducing Eve 310 00:11:24,860 --> 00:11:22,230 or evey providing her with the forbidden 311 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:24,870 Gnostic fruit of enlightenment I like it 312 00:11:29,450 --> 00:11:27,000 how she has to go through this is very 313 00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:29,460 gnostic mrs. Valentinian cosmology how 314 00:11:33,260 --> 00:11:31,680 she sort of rebels against the 315 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:33,270 government I mean you think of Sophia's 316 00:11:38,090 --> 00:11:35,580 rebellion against the Monad or this 317 00:11:40,460 --> 00:11:38,100 gnostic alien intelligence and you know 318 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:40,470 Sophia is cast down and matter and evey 319 00:11:44,740 --> 00:11:42,510 is cast out in hazzard head shape but 320 00:11:47,420 --> 00:11:44,750 then she goes through this illusionary 321 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:47,430 transformation where she believes she's 322 00:11:52,070 --> 00:11:49,650 dying and she ultimately receives gnosis 323 00:11:54,740 --> 00:11:52,080 from v but it's all an illusion but 324 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:54,750 again this ties into Gnostic themes of 325 00:11:58,850 --> 00:11:56,670 what is real what is false think the 326 00:11:59,900 --> 00:11:58,860 matrix thinks The Truman Show and I 327 00:12:01,790 --> 00:11:59,910 really like it I mean you had this 328 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:01,800 really deep symbolism and then the movie 329 00:12:06,410 --> 00:12:03,000 that I keep coming back to it this is 330 00:12:08,330 --> 00:12:06,420 Blade Runner where it's raining out Evy 331 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:08,340 much like right or right the car 332 00:12:12,140 --> 00:12:09,840 descends the building we have the 333 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:12,150 ascension it's pouring down rain we have 334 00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:14,640 the baptism and then through with the 335 00:12:20,570 --> 00:12:17,700 Nexus 6 with my body the card finally 336 00:12:22,610 --> 00:12:20,580 receives gnosis that the androids or the 337 00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:22,620 Kabbalistic golem Nexus sixes are 338 00:12:26,150 --> 00:12:24,480 deserving of life and then you'll find 339 00:12:28,130 --> 00:12:26,160 this in V for Vendetta where she 340 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:28,140 realizes that Norse fire England is no 341 00:12:32,390 --> 00:12:30,720 good and she sort of his baptized by V 342 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:32,400 into his nihilistic mission to destroy 343 00:12:36,890 --> 00:12:33,960 it so you had this interplay with 344 00:12:39,020 --> 00:12:36,900 Gnostic receiving of gnosis absolutely 345 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:39,030 it's a great religious tale V for 346 00:12:44,090 --> 00:12:41,640 Vendetta is and yeah loads of esoteric 347 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:44,100 allegory going on inside that film right 348 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:48,089 and the kind of process that V puts evey 349 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:51,210 through is quite lifted from mystery 350 00:12:55,490 --> 00:12:52,770 school traditions right I mean it's like 351 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:55,500 simulated suffering or fear inducing for 352 00:13:00,950 --> 00:12:58,560 the sake of rising above or developing 353 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:00,960 spiritual armor I mean that's kind of 354 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:03,210 the point of those things right well 355 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:04,770 that's absolutely right I mean you'll 356 00:13:09,470 --> 00:13:07,650 find us in even themed movies you know 357 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:09,480 Gnostic themed movies or initiation into 358 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:11,850 the mysteries the suffering the anti 359 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:14,730 materialism the anti-consumerism the 360 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:16,050 suffering you know you think of the 361 00:13:19,970 --> 00:13:17,850 matrix where they live in poverty on the 362 00:13:22,430 --> 00:13:19,980 cramped spaceship you know they give up 363 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:22,440 the materialism of a false reality but 364 00:13:26,350 --> 00:13:24,450 the real world is no good they're all 365 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:26,360 impoverished and it's certainly 366 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:28,650 anti-consumerism certainly you even 367 00:13:31,610 --> 00:13:29,790 think of something like The Wizard of Oz 368 00:13:34,070 --> 00:13:31,620 where Dorothy has to go through this 369 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:34,080 magical adventure to receive gnosis at 370 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:35,970 the end of that Evy Hammond has this 371 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:38,100 mental breakdown like you said to be 372 00:13:42,620 --> 00:13:40,920 able to aware the spiritual armor even 373 00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:42,630 in wonderland has the sort of theme 374 00:13:46,819 --> 00:13:44,639 where the little girl goes to the 375 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:46,829 magical Wonderland braves the blue you 376 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:48,480 know Red Queen the Queen of Hearts and 377 00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:50,130 comes out more enlightened and better 378 00:13:52,970 --> 00:13:50,760 for it 379 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:52,980 Truman Burbank of The Truman Show same 380 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:55,470 thing goes on a journey in the boat 381 00:13:59,960 --> 00:13:58,079 which almost kills him to eventually be 382 00:14:02,449 --> 00:13:59,970 able to leave the false world receive 383 00:14:04,129 --> 00:14:02,459 gnosis so absolutely with Eva Hammond 384 00:14:06,769 --> 00:14:04,139 this is no different this is all very 385 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:06,779 Gnostic very religious and in the case 386 00:14:11,090 --> 00:14:08,610 of Moore he is very like you said 387 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:11,100 anti-establishment anti-christian so 388 00:14:15,470 --> 00:14:13,529 it's a takedown of the established order 389 00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:15,480 to take down of the Christian Right 390 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:18,420 Wayne Norse fire England and war and the 391 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:20,970 filmmakers pull it off marvelously and V 392 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:21,570 for Vendetta 393 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:24,480 mmm-hmm and it does seem ultimately to 394 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:26,760 be a positive message confronting the 395 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:28,980 power structure rising up to topple 396 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:32,190 tyrants I mean I'm on that page and I 397 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:33,300 also wanted to talk to you a little bit 398 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:34,889 about the Watchmen because there are 399 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:36,180 certain movies that get talked about 400 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:38,130 pretty routinely in these sorts of 401 00:14:42,230 --> 00:14:40,320 conversations but Watchmen really is not 402 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:42,240 one of them and you added a lot of 403 00:14:46,370 --> 00:14:43,560 context that I never really thought 404 00:14:48,079 --> 00:14:46,380 about mainly surrounding the mr. 405 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:48,089 Manhattan character can you talk to us a 406 00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:50,220 little bit about him and the depth there 407 00:14:54,650 --> 00:14:52,920 that people might not realize right well 408 00:14:56,780 --> 00:14:54,660 the dr. Manhattan character is very 409 00:14:57,949 --> 00:14:56,790 interesting he undergoes sort of you 410 00:15:00,920 --> 00:14:57,959 know what you would call cabbalistic 411 00:15:02,540 --> 00:15:00,930 apotheosis he becomes a god-like savory 412 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:02,550 or he's the Christ archetype in this 413 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:04,410 movie who's literally delivering the 414 00:15:08,030 --> 00:15:06,630 United States sort of the savior of the 415 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,040 United States I mean even when he 416 00:15:12,500 --> 00:15:10,320 becomes dr. Manhattan I believe he rises 417 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:12,510 cruciform in front of the Sun so we had 418 00:15:18,110 --> 00:15:15,540 the whole Christ as Sun allegory going 419 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:18,120 one with that and then you know I mean 420 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:19,740 if there's a lot of interesting things 421 00:15:23,389 --> 00:15:21,240 surrounding dr. Manhattan of course he's 422 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:23,399 named after the Manhattan Project which 423 00:15:26,809 --> 00:15:24,480 is the development of the nuclear 424 00:15:27,860 --> 00:15:26,819 weapons and of course you know he's one 425 00:15:30,290 --> 00:15:27,870 of these guys I mean there's a whole 426 00:15:32,329 --> 00:15:30,300 dualistic interplay with him he's a very 427 00:15:33,710 --> 00:15:32,339 theistic figure in this of all the 428 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:33,720 Watchmen I mean he is clearly the 429 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:36,480 godlike figure of all of them I mean he 430 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:38,250 returns from the warlike planet Mars 431 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:40,410 where he's hiding out to deliver peace 432 00:15:44,780 --> 00:15:42,690 to the world and of course this is all 433 00:15:47,300 --> 00:15:44,790 part of Ozzie man Diaz's grand 434 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:47,310 conspiracy to kill millions to save 435 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:49,350 billions I mean great you know 436 00:15:53,750 --> 00:15:51,690 conspiracy father they're a very 437 00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:53,760 interesting character he undergoes 438 00:15:56,930 --> 00:15:54,960 literally 439 00:15:58,730 --> 00:15:56,940 all chemical transformation I mean he 440 00:16:01,040 --> 00:15:58,740 starts out as the one doctor and then 441 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:01,050 through the nuclear experiment literally 442 00:16:04,970 --> 00:16:02,880 goes through cabbalistic apotheosis 443 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:04,980 where he becomes christ-like has all the 444 00:16:10,490 --> 00:16:08,160 superpowers can save people can save the 445 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:10,500 United States could see the future very 446 00:16:14,750 --> 00:16:12,330 interesting character a lot going on 447 00:16:16,730 --> 00:16:14,760 inside of Watchmen loads of interplay 448 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:16,740 with the names on these guys I mean more 449 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:18,150 really delves into the whole conspiracy 450 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:20,040 world there you know we have the one 451 00:16:24,500 --> 00:16:22,440 villain Molech who conjures the Molech 452 00:16:26,690 --> 00:16:24,510 figure and Bohemian Grove 453 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:26,700 you know the whole interplay of the 454 00:16:31,670 --> 00:16:28,920 antihero of the heroes being the bad 455 00:16:33,980 --> 00:16:31,680 guys very conspiratorial it's a great 456 00:16:35,630 --> 00:16:33,990 movie I took 1/3 of a lot more movies 457 00:16:36,950 --> 00:16:35,640 and cinema symbolism too so if you're 458 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:36,960 interested in alan moore by all means 459 00:16:42,260 --> 00:16:39,560 you're going to love the book mm-hmm and 460 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:42,270 you also as you talked about mr. 461 00:16:48,890 --> 00:16:45,450 manhattan you say that it relates to a 462 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:48,900 specific third degree Blue Lodge ritual 463 00:16:53,630 --> 00:16:51,120 do you think that's an intention on 464 00:16:55,460 --> 00:16:53,640 Moores part or I guess well yeah in the 465 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:55,470 source material he's blue too but do you 466 00:16:59,540 --> 00:16:58,410 think he's blue as a clue to that well I 467 00:17:00,980 --> 00:16:59,550 don't know if the blue is but what's 468 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:00,990 interesting with dr. Manhattan is the 469 00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:03,240 symbol he picks for himself is the point 470 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:04,980 within the circle and that is a clear 471 00:17:09,020 --> 00:17:07,530 Masonic symbol representing the Sun it's 472 00:17:11,090 --> 00:17:09,030 a Masonic symbol from start to finish 473 00:17:13,490 --> 00:17:11,100 and what I think it's denoting in that 474 00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,500 is the initiation into this Kabbalistic 475 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:15,600 apotheosis which is part of Masonic 476 00:17:19,970 --> 00:17:17,610 ritual you know the whole purpose of the 477 00:17:22,490 --> 00:17:19,980 Blue Lodge ritual is you're undergoing 478 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:22,500 consciousness expansion divine spark 479 00:17:25,940 --> 00:17:24,510 ignition and then you know Manhattan 480 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:25,950 picks for himself this great Masonic 481 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:27,570 symbol I mean probably other than the 482 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:29,190 square and compasses with the letter G 483 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:31,320 in it you know one of the most noted or 484 00:17:35,780 --> 00:17:33,930 easy to see Masonic symbols is the point 485 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:35,790 within the circle and he even says he 486 00:17:41,300 --> 00:17:37,740 wanted a symbol that was worthy of me so 487 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:41,310 he there's clear intent there and I like 488 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:43,170 it you know it's the whole idea you're 489 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:44,400 getting the masonry and then you get 490 00:17:48,020 --> 00:17:46,650 into the high degree Mason system with 491 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:48,030 the York Rite and the Scottish Rite 492 00:17:52,790 --> 00:17:50,850 where the whole idea is the world art 493 00:17:55,100 --> 00:17:52,800 symbolism where it's possession of the 494 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:55,110 Tetragrammaton where the candidate 495 00:17:59,720 --> 00:17:56,730 becomes godlike it's it's literally a 496 00:18:01,760 --> 00:17:59,730 form of Kabbalistic apotheosis so to see 497 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:01,770 these Masonic overtones going on inside 498 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:03,690 of a l'amour who's an occultist in is 499 00:18:07,190 --> 00:18:05,400 very well-versed with this it is not 500 00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:07,200 surprising or alarming but I just 501 00:18:10,340 --> 00:18:08,400 thought that was very apropos 502 00:18:12,380 --> 00:18:10,350 to have this Masonic symbol this 503 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:12,390 initiation into the mysteries where 504 00:18:17,210 --> 00:18:14,250 Manhattan has become this christ-like 505 00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,220 savior very fascinating very intentional 506 00:18:21,580 --> 00:18:19,440 and it certainly works in the Masonic 507 00:18:24,830 --> 00:18:21,590 context I have a little doubt about that 508 00:18:27,170 --> 00:18:24,840 mm-hmm and the nexus of science and 509 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:27,180 esoterica comes up at several points in 510 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:28,620 your book and I think that connection 511 00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:31,140 seems more recognizable than ever and 512 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:32,580 it's funny because we think of science 513 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:35,250 as the polar opposite of the occult or 514 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:37,320 the mysteries but when you have the 515 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:38,970 context that you do we see it quite 516 00:18:43,850 --> 00:18:41,190 often in scientific circles in the real 517 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:43,860 world don't we oh absolutely I mean you 518 00:18:47,690 --> 00:18:45,690 definitely have this merger of science 519 00:18:49,610 --> 00:18:47,700 and magic going one I mean you have it 520 00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:49,620 even with Watchmen with the dr. 521 00:18:53,780 --> 00:18:51,470 Manhattan character being a sorcerer 522 00:18:55,730 --> 00:18:53,790 absolutely you have it in movies you'll 523 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:55,740 find in the horror movies Halloween 3 524 00:19:00,140 --> 00:18:57,330 which is really one of the first movies 525 00:19:02,120 --> 00:19:00,150 to fuse witchcraft with computer science 526 00:19:03,860 --> 00:19:02,130 another movie that was an early version 527 00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:03,870 of this I think they came up the year 528 00:19:08,660 --> 00:19:05,640 before maybe two years before Halloween 529 00:19:11,180 --> 00:19:08,670 3 was a movie called evil speak where 530 00:19:13,700 --> 00:19:11,190 the protagonist use the computer to 531 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:13,710 conjure the devil to enter satanic rites 532 00:19:18,410 --> 00:19:15,810 on the computer so you will have this 533 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:18,420 fusion of science and the occult and you 534 00:19:21,740 --> 00:19:20,130 find it in movies like you'll find it 535 00:19:24,020 --> 00:19:21,750 with the dr. Manhattan character where 536 00:19:25,970 --> 00:19:24,030 he's very mystical he's very prophetic I 537 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:25,980 mean he's not just a scientist he really 538 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:27,960 is sort of this esoteric figure this 539 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:30,750 christ-like magician as it were but yeah 540 00:19:34,460 --> 00:19:32,130 I mean even though as I was writing the 541 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:34,470 book you will clearly find in films such 542 00:19:38,450 --> 00:19:36,930 as you know Halloween 3 Vinnie kid 543 00:19:39,860 --> 00:19:38,460 probably as much recognition when it 544 00:19:41,030 --> 00:19:39,870 first came out but the movie has 545 00:19:42,860 --> 00:19:41,040 definitely undergone bit of a 546 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:42,870 renaissance of late and another movie 547 00:19:46,550 --> 00:19:44,760 was evil speak you know you haven't seen 548 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:46,560 that one that deals with conjuring the 549 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:48,930 devil using satanic rites to enter them 550 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:49,890 into a computer 551 00:19:54,050 --> 00:19:52,290 very interesting dark movie very satanic 552 00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:54,060 so yeah you know the diffusion of 553 00:19:59,660 --> 00:19:56,040 science and the occult fascinating 554 00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:59,670 subject in modern cinema mm-hmm and also 555 00:20:03,260 --> 00:20:01,500 just to get into the real world a little 556 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:03,270 bit you talk about CERN in a couple 557 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:05,310 different places also noting the Shiva 558 00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:08,010 statue there and that imagery embodies 559 00:20:12,220 --> 00:20:09,840 and invokes some kind of scary ideas 560 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:12,230 about Universal destruction and rebirth 561 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:15,120 they obviously are kind of the height of 562 00:20:19,220 --> 00:20:16,770 science and they know their symbols and 563 00:20:20,450 --> 00:20:19,230 mythology is that concerning it all to 564 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:20,460 you I mean there's a lot of researchers 565 00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:21,690 talking about it I know that 566 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:25,440 not exactly your forte but do you worry 567 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:27,090 about kind of the things that they're 568 00:20:31,129 --> 00:20:28,830 showing us in their symbolism and what 569 00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:31,139 they might be trying to do there yeah I 570 00:20:35,149 --> 00:20:33,600 mean the Shiva statue at CERN the cosmic 571 00:20:36,769 --> 00:20:35,159 dancer the death and rebirth it's 572 00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:36,779 definitely sort of yeah I mean I agree 573 00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:37,980 with you I think it is a little 574 00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:39,720 disturbing you know when you get into 575 00:20:43,639 --> 00:20:42,480 CERN that's another interesting topic 576 00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,649 that I get into in the book and 577 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:45,360 certainly you'll clearly find that in 578 00:20:49,730 --> 00:20:47,490 the movie Stargate where you will 579 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,740 clearly have this CERN like operation 580 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:51,600 going one to open the Stargate open the 581 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:53,850 portal the interdimensional portal that 582 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,769 takes them to the other planet I will 583 00:20:59,450 --> 00:20:57,120 just point out real quick that that also 584 00:21:01,700 --> 00:20:59,460 is very free masonic there are uncanny 585 00:21:03,289 --> 00:21:01,710 parallels with the movie stargate with 586 00:21:05,779 --> 00:21:03,299 another masonic movie called the man who 587 00:21:08,299 --> 00:21:05,789 would be king which is a Rudyard Kipling 588 00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:08,309 novella Kipling was a freemason but yes 589 00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:10,230 you know the stuff going on it's earned 590 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:13,080 the atom splicing the idea of opening up 591 00:21:17,629 --> 00:21:15,690 a wormhole is very disconcerning and you 592 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:17,639 know it is worrisome you never know 593 00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:19,049 what's gonna happen with this stuff I 594 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:20,940 mean and you know you try to hope that 595 00:21:23,899 --> 00:21:22,320 they're going to be careful with it but 596 00:21:25,490 --> 00:21:23,909 you never know and I think it's 597 00:21:26,629 --> 00:21:25,500 interesting that statue is there I mean 598 00:21:28,129 --> 00:21:26,639 it's old death and rebirth 599 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:28,139 let's hope they know what they're doing 600 00:21:32,419 --> 00:21:30,809 but suddenly do worry about potentially 601 00:21:34,460 --> 00:21:32,429 opening a portal and you know bringing 602 00:21:35,269 --> 00:21:34,470 in some sort of transdimensional being 603 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,279 of some kind 604 00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,440 who knows hope for the best expect the 605 00:21:42,889 --> 00:21:40,320 worst right right right yeah it is just 606 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:42,899 that classic story where it seems like 607 00:21:50,060 --> 00:21:47,129 we have man in the demiurges persistent 608 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:50,070 illusion and then we have a Luciferian 609 00:21:55,639 --> 00:21:53,490 type character who wakes man up and 610 00:21:58,669 --> 00:21:55,649 elevates them to rise up against their 611 00:22:01,279 --> 00:21:58,679 tyrannical overlord but the way the 612 00:22:02,899 --> 00:22:01,289 Orthodox interprets that story is that 613 00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,909 that's the point where the Demiurge 614 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:05,039 comes through and wipes the slate clean 615 00:22:10,009 --> 00:22:07,320 and then you have the Noah story and 616 00:22:11,749 --> 00:22:10,019 that kind of stuff and it is kind of 617 00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,759 interesting to see those parallels in 618 00:22:16,399 --> 00:22:14,159 modern science and technology and you 619 00:22:18,169 --> 00:22:16,409 hear the Orthodox people say oh well 620 00:22:20,029 --> 00:22:18,179 technology's the mark of the beast and 621 00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,039 on one hand I just roll my eyes and I'm 622 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:22,080 like you know that isn't really a very 623 00:22:26,029 --> 00:22:23,850 nuanced understanding but then you see 624 00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,039 us all addicted to technology and how 625 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:28,080 it's used as the surveillance States 626 00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:30,690 main mechanism that it has some real 627 00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:32,700 dark implications underneath it but we 628 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:34,820 are all kind of adopting it 629 00:22:38,169 --> 00:22:36,289 is just interesting to think about the 630 00:22:40,509 --> 00:22:38,179 times were in in relation to that 631 00:22:42,879 --> 00:22:40,519 classic story of rising up against the 632 00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:42,889 Creator God whether it be a good or bad 633 00:22:48,190 --> 00:22:45,919 figure yeah I mean it is interesting and 634 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:48,200 you know that the whole idea of rising 635 00:22:52,899 --> 00:22:51,289 up against the false god that is and 636 00:22:55,090 --> 00:22:52,909 like you said you know it depends on the 637 00:22:57,580 --> 00:22:55,100 movie you watch a movie like the matrix 638 00:22:59,799 --> 00:22:57,590 where neo stands up to the machines and 639 00:23:01,330 --> 00:22:59,809 the archons and is able to defeat them 640 00:23:03,249 --> 00:23:01,340 and certainly you think of a movie like 641 00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,259 The Wizard of Oz where Dorothy Gale 642 00:23:07,509 --> 00:23:05,360 stands up to the evil wizard and exposes 643 00:23:09,009 --> 00:23:07,519 him and hazzard gnostic epiphany and you 644 00:23:10,779 --> 00:23:09,019 know Alice and Alice in Wonderland 645 00:23:12,940 --> 00:23:10,789 stands up to the evil Red Queen has her 646 00:23:15,580 --> 00:23:12,950 Gnostic epiphany returns home and is all 647 00:23:17,470 --> 00:23:15,590 the better off for it the technology in 648 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:17,480 Wizard of Oz and Alice in Wonderland is 649 00:23:21,639 --> 00:23:20,090 somewhat of an absent element so what 650 00:23:23,769 --> 00:23:21,649 I'm looking for but it's something like 651 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:23,779 the matrix the technology is both good 652 00:23:28,419 --> 00:23:26,049 and bad is both liberating and 653 00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:28,429 oppressive and it's an interesting 654 00:23:32,649 --> 00:23:30,980 interplay like you said the technology 655 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:32,659 can be the mark of the beast but it can 656 00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:34,610 also be very liberating you know it can 657 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:37,009 be used for positive as well so it just 658 00:23:40,629 --> 00:23:38,809 depends on the it's like a symbol almost 659 00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:40,639 it's just depends on the author's 660 00:23:45,009 --> 00:23:43,100 creation and what they intend for it 661 00:23:47,860 --> 00:23:45,019 a symbol can be negative it can be 662 00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:47,870 positive the same symbol can be positive 663 00:23:51,999 --> 00:23:50,059 or negative depending upon the you know 664 00:23:53,740 --> 00:23:52,009 intent of the designer so it's an 665 00:23:55,749 --> 00:23:53,750 interesting interplay and it definitely 666 00:23:58,419 --> 00:23:55,759 plays out in cinema no question about it 667 00:24:00,940 --> 00:23:58,429 whether it be movies like The Matrix or 668 00:24:03,460 --> 00:24:00,950 The Wizard of Oz you know the whole 669 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:03,470 initiation into the mysteries or rising 670 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:05,330 up against the Demiurge and Gnostic 671 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:07,340 themes by all means I don't disagree 672 00:24:12,100 --> 00:24:10,490 with that and so to get back into the 673 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:12,110 book a little bit another very layered 674 00:24:17,049 --> 00:24:14,720 aspect of Hollywood that you have picked 675 00:24:19,539 --> 00:24:17,059 up on in the past and even more so now 676 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:19,549 is this aspect of actor selection that 677 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:21,950 you call a cult casting let's get into 678 00:24:24,639 --> 00:24:22,970 that a little bit what do you think is 679 00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,649 behind it maybe give us some good 680 00:24:29,049 --> 00:24:27,200 examples of it absolutely this is a 681 00:24:31,629 --> 00:24:29,059 great question I'm so glad you brought 682 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,639 this up this is something that's very 683 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:33,440 interesting that's going on in film and 684 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:35,690 when I first started noticing this I 685 00:24:40,090 --> 00:24:37,730 thought this was limited I thought this 686 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:40,100 was an exception not the rule I have 687 00:24:43,060 --> 00:24:41,600 come to understand that this is a little 688 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:43,070 more widespread that at first I 689 00:24:46,509 --> 00:24:45,470 anticipated and it started with me I'll 690 00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:46,519 just give a bit of a brief background 691 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:48,049 with the first book I wrote with what's 692 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:48,290 in 693 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:50,210 symbolism and we talked about you know 694 00:24:54,850 --> 00:24:52,490 occult symbols and movies and numbers 695 00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:54,860 and you know hidden themes the monomyth 696 00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,230 the alchemical journey all this good 697 00:25:01,180 --> 00:24:59,600 stuff but you know it's very deep and it 698 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,190 goes much beyond that you know you could 699 00:25:05,380 --> 00:25:02,960 get into music you can get into poster 700 00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:05,390 art what it contains that occult imagery 701 00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:06,830 believe it or not you can actually give 702 00:25:10,900 --> 00:25:08,750 in to the release date of movies can 703 00:25:12,850 --> 00:25:10,910 have a called meanings so you know how 704 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,860 about the actual actors and actresses 705 00:25:16,810 --> 00:25:14,720 that portray these they turn up in 706 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:16,820 movies and the interest the actual actor 707 00:25:21,820 --> 00:25:19,970 an actress can be used to convey occult 708 00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:21,830 meanings and what it is doing it's 709 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:24,620 beyond typecasting it's using the actor 710 00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:26,330 or actress is what I call cultural 711 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:28,880 valances there's esoteric baggage they 712 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:31,010 bring from one movie to the next and 713 00:25:35,860 --> 00:25:32,930 it's unintentionally and it's really 714 00:25:37,630 --> 00:25:35,870 cinematic sorcery it's done to conjure 715 00:25:40,570 --> 00:25:37,640 to your subconscious mind these earlier 716 00:25:43,270 --> 00:25:40,580 roles that the actor has been in and it 717 00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:43,280 invests the new movie with these arcane 718 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:45,440 themes and images so the first movie 719 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:48,170 that I noticed with this was the second 720 00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:50,090 Matrix movie called The Matrix Reloaded 721 00:25:54,510 --> 00:25:51,710 and this is something I talked about in 722 00:25:56,650 --> 00:25:54,520 the first book where in that movie the 723 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:56,660 character of I think he's one of the 724 00:26:00,220 --> 00:25:58,730 Chancellor or council man I can't 725 00:26:02,950 --> 00:26:00,230 remember the character's name but it's 726 00:26:04,450 --> 00:26:02,960 portrayed by anthony zerbe and there's a 727 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:04,460 whole great scene in this movie where 728 00:26:09,490 --> 00:26:06,890 anthony zerbe as the councilman of zion 729 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:09,500 is lecturing neil about how zion is the 730 00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,780 last bastion of humanity and how it all 731 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:13,760 has to be protected and preserved and I 732 00:26:16,330 --> 00:26:15,050 remember watching this I thought I've 733 00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,340 seen this before I've heard this all 734 00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:18,080 before it and eventually it hit me like 735 00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:20,270 a bolt of lightning that this is anthony 736 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:22,160 zerbe is reiterating and it's actually 737 00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:24,680 repeating all those verbatim lines that 738 00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:26,360 he had delivered earlier in a movie and 739 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:29,360 from 1971 called the Omega Man only it 740 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:32,210 was reversed in that movie the Omega Man 741 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:33,920 Zerbe played a character known as 742 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:36,290 matthias and he gives his lecture to 743 00:26:40,090 --> 00:26:38,330 some of his disciples about how the 744 00:26:41,380 --> 00:26:40,100 Toronto Heston character was the last 745 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:41,390 bastion of mankind 746 00:26:45,220 --> 00:26:43,490 Helen needed to be eradicated how it 747 00:26:47,710 --> 00:26:45,230 needed to be destroyed and he was this 748 00:26:50,410 --> 00:26:47,720 complete reversal of dialogue going on 749 00:26:52,420 --> 00:26:50,420 from the Omega Man to the matrix so why 750 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:52,430 do that well the matrix movies are very 751 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:54,650 Gnostic and part of Gnosticism is 752 00:26:59,700 --> 00:26:57,410 dualism reversal opposites the 753 00:27:01,980 --> 00:26:59,710 unification of opposites you know man 754 00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:01,990 woman male and female like darkness sun 755 00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:05,140 and moon manikyam ism so to cancer being 756 00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:07,840 this is conjuring this earlier film and 757 00:27:12,510 --> 00:27:10,179 by reversing it it's reinforcing this 758 00:27:15,149 --> 00:27:12,520 Gnostic interplay that all the Matrix 759 00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:15,159 movies are relying on they're exploiting 760 00:27:19,049 --> 00:27:17,679 Gnosticism you turn to another movie the 761 00:27:22,110 --> 00:27:19,059 next movie I've really noticed this in 762 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:22,120 was made a Star Wars movie the Episode 763 00:27:27,419 --> 00:27:24,730 seven or is the force awakens that's it 764 00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:27,429 where Max von Sydow of all things turns 765 00:27:30,779 --> 00:27:29,350 up as a brief cameo at the very 766 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:30,789 beginning of this and it kind of just 767 00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:32,230 struck I'm sitting there watching and 768 00:27:36,299 --> 00:27:33,520 I'm watching it a couple times on 769 00:27:37,710 --> 00:27:36,309 blu-ray here and I remember just 770 00:27:39,810 --> 00:27:37,720 thinking to myself you know why kiss von 771 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,820 Sydow in this part this is only five 772 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:40,960 minutes at the very beginning of the 773 00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:42,340 movie this could have been cast by 774 00:27:46,110 --> 00:27:44,110 anyone could have portrayed this but 775 00:27:47,789 --> 00:27:46,120 they seem to have wanted von Sydow in 776 00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:47,799 this and he struck me like a bolt of 777 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:49,779 lightning again I'm watching this 778 00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,640 opening sequence where von Sydow comes 779 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:53,200 out and confronts the dark evil Lord 780 00:27:57,539 --> 00:27:56,110 kylo Ren and is struck down and all of a 781 00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,549 sudden I'm just sitting there as where 782 00:28:00,570 --> 00:27:59,200 have I seen this all before and of 783 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:00,580 course it immediately comes to me it's 784 00:28:05,010 --> 00:28:02,620 the Exorcist it's the opening sequence 785 00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:05,020 of the Exorcist where Max von Sydow is 786 00:28:09,299 --> 00:28:07,630 the hermit figure the Jesuit priest and 787 00:28:11,549 --> 00:28:09,309 again he's the hermit figure in episode 788 00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:11,559 7 is on the desert planet and again in 789 00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:13,000 The Exorcist he's in the desert and 790 00:28:17,159 --> 00:28:15,399 confronts the dark evil Lord the statue 791 00:28:19,289 --> 00:28:17,169 of Pazuzu in the desert and this is 792 00:28:20,909 --> 00:28:19,299 exactly what happens with Episode seven 793 00:28:23,070 --> 00:28:20,919 where he confronts kylo Ren in the 794 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,080 desert kylo Ren strikes him down and 795 00:28:26,580 --> 00:28:25,120 it's this entire interplay it's 796 00:28:29,159 --> 00:28:26,590 conjuring The Exorcist to your 797 00:28:31,710 --> 00:28:29,169 subconscious mind so why do this it's 798 00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:31,720 literally implanting the whole opening 799 00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:33,190 sequence of The Exorcist and it's 800 00:28:38,490 --> 00:28:35,830 investing kylo Ren and the first order 801 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:38,500 with the demonism of Pazuzu it's very 802 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:41,350 occult this is very close to sorcery as 803 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:43,450 you can find in modern-day by using 804 00:28:47,399 --> 00:28:45,490 these actors and actresses and I was 805 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:47,409 watching it again and it also conjures 806 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,510 another movie it conjures the movie dude 807 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:52,240 where von Sydow again on the desert 808 00:28:56,970 --> 00:28:55,270 planet as the hermit figure is struck 809 00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:56,980 down by the vicious 810 00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,159 Dark Lord Baron or Conan and again it's 811 00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,559 another interplay it's another cultural 812 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:04,960 balance that by casting von Sydow it's 813 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:06,580 influencing and implanting in your 814 00:29:10,529 --> 00:29:09,010 subconscious mind with dune that it's 815 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:10,539 investing the first order with the 816 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:12,610 savagery of the harkonnens so this is 817 00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:13,120 very 818 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:14,920 boy what these filmmakers are doing and 819 00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:16,450 I've seen other examples of this I 820 00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,790 talked about the casting I'll leave it 821 00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:20,080 at this you know if you want to ask me 822 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:21,280 that's fine but I'll just wrap up by 823 00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,070 saying in the movie Lost Highway by 824 00:29:28,650 --> 00:29:26,080 David Lynch the casting of Bill Pullman 825 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:28,660 and Robert loggia also produces a cult 826 00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:30,610 effects in that movie and they're 827 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:32,860 intentional so the intentional placement 828 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:35,770 of an actor or an actor's can conjure 829 00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:38,080 these balances these cultural balances 830 00:29:42,570 --> 00:29:40,420 and it just goes to show you Greg Howard 831 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:42,580 roid these filmmakers are you know and 832 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:44,110 again just to reiterate we talked about 833 00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:46,750 symbolism themes hidden numbers and 834 00:29:51,270 --> 00:29:49,510 backgrounds of movies that have esoteric 835 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:51,280 meaning when you're paying attention to 836 00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:53,080 these movies and watching them pay 837 00:29:56,610 --> 00:29:54,670 attention to the actors and actresses in 838 00:29:58,980 --> 00:29:56,620 them because sometimes their placement 839 00:30:00,960 --> 00:29:58,990 goes well beyond typecasting and their 840 00:30:02,460 --> 00:30:00,970 testing can be very occult in nature 841 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:02,470 you'll find it in the Matrix Reloaded 842 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:04,510 you'll find it in Lost Highway and 843 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:05,710 you'll certainly find it in Star Wars 844 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:09,130 Episode seven mm-hmm yeah it's so true 845 00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:11,290 there are just many layers to the onion 846 00:30:15,210 --> 00:30:13,480 and you also have a section where you 847 00:30:17,250 --> 00:30:15,220 talk about Disney and the occult and I 848 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,260 do think the examination of Disney films 849 00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:18,640 is really interesting we've been down 850 00:30:23,940 --> 00:30:21,460 that road but you talked a bit about the 851 00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:23,950 geometry of the Epcot Center you even 852 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:25,990 bring up John Dee and he's such an 853 00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:27,850 interesting figure we've talked about 854 00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:29,620 him here in the context of his 855 00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:31,960 channelings and his influence with Queen 856 00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:33,580 Elizabeth and of course we've talked 857 00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:34,960 about his connection to double-oh-seven 858 00:30:40,350 --> 00:30:36,700 we talked about that with you last time 859 00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:40,360 but outside of cinematic references Thea 860 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:42,460 tell us about your thoughts on John Dee 861 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,800 in general does Freemasonry use anything 862 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:46,720 from the Key of Solomon or anything from 863 00:30:50,730 --> 00:30:49,090 d.o.a and this is just such a 864 00:30:53,220 --> 00:30:50,740 fascinating talking point I'm so glad 865 00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:53,230 you brought this up right John Dee is a 866 00:30:57,270 --> 00:30:55,270 very interesting character he's Queen 867 00:30:59,610 --> 00:30:57,280 Elizabeth's court astrologer he was a 868 00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,620 mathematician he was well ahead of his 869 00:31:03,690 --> 00:31:00,880 time he did a lot of work with 870 00:31:06,090 --> 00:31:03,700 navigation mathematics you know I mean 871 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,100 he's a real renaissance man and you're 872 00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,600 absolutely right he was involved with 873 00:31:13,020 --> 00:31:09,760 the spy ring with people like Francis 874 00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:13,030 Walsingham Giordano Bruno and of course 875 00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:14,679 when he went wrote these espionage 876 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:16,540 correspondences to Queen Elizabeth he 877 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:18,850 signed them double-oh-seven 0:07 878 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:21,250 the symbol or sigil was supposed to be I 879 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:23,320 glasses meaning he was her eyes in the 880 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:25,390 field and you know that the 881 00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,890 correspondence was for her eyes 882 00:31:31,770 --> 00:31:28,960 only this is a talking point that I took 883 00:31:33,540 --> 00:31:31,780 one in the first book cinema symbolism I 884 00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:33,550 talked about the whole influence they 885 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:34,780 have called the influence upon Ian 886 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:36,610 Fleming and with John Dee I'll get to 887 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:37,690 Walt Disney in a minute because that's 888 00:31:41,970 --> 00:31:39,730 fascinating I mean you know if you think 889 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:41,980 the Ian Fleming stuff comes from the 890 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:43,300 world of you can't make this up the 891 00:31:46,980 --> 00:31:45,760 abcott Center and John Dee really comes 892 00:31:47,610 --> 00:31:46,990 from the world if you can't make this 893 00:31:51,510 --> 00:31:47,620 stuff up 894 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:51,520 Freemasonry yeah sure you get into John 895 00:31:56,820 --> 00:31:53,770 Dee's library he conjured demons and 896 00:31:58,410 --> 00:31:56,830 angels he called this Enochian magic and 897 00:32:01,080 --> 00:31:58,420 you know he had a language based on this 898 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:01,090 called Enoch Ian I often get asked the 899 00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:02,770 whole thesis of my first book the Royal 900 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:04,750 Arch Avena was to document this 901 00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:07,450 historical anomaly going one where this 902 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:09,280 high degree ritual being developed as 903 00:32:14,550 --> 00:32:10,810 part of the counter-reformation in the 904 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,560 1740 1750s was incorporating components 905 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:16,960 and elements of the Book of Enoch of the 906 00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:19,330 lost Ethiopian Book of Enoch which was 907 00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:21,190 off the history pages at that time the 908 00:32:26,670 --> 00:32:24,160 Book of Enoch didn't turn up until 1773 909 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:26,680 when James Bruce returned to Europe with 910 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:28,810 a couple copies from Europe or excuse me 911 00:32:32,610 --> 00:32:30,610 returned to Europe with a couple copies 912 00:32:35,010 --> 00:32:32,620 from Ethiopia and even still they 913 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:35,020 weren't translated into around 1812 into 914 00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:37,330 English so I mean you know where could 915 00:32:41,370 --> 00:32:39,340 this Enochian source material come from 916 00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:41,380 John Dee is a likely candidate he could 917 00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:43,150 have possessed a copy of the Book of 918 00:32:47,460 --> 00:32:45,580 Enoch or perhaps an annotated edition of 919 00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,470 it I mean he develops this you know 920 00:32:51,690 --> 00:32:49,840 language of talking to angels and demons 921 00:32:52,980 --> 00:32:51,700 I mean cause of Enoch II and I mean of 922 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:52,990 course when we know in the Book of Enoch 923 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:55,210 he is interacting with angels and demons 924 00:32:58,500 --> 00:32:56,650 so you know where did he get this from 925 00:33:00,660 --> 00:32:58,510 concerning that The Book of Enoch was 926 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:00,670 lost at history at this time so you know 927 00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:02,290 he could have certainly yeah this huge 928 00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:04,480 library Saudi could have definitely 929 00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:06,670 possessed a copy of the Book of Enoch 930 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:08,140 and it's interesting also to note that 931 00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,050 one of the people involved with the spy 932 00:33:15,540 --> 00:33:13,600 ring was Sir Walter Reilly of all people 933 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:15,550 and in Raleigh's history of the world he 934 00:33:20,490 --> 00:33:18,130 actually mentions that the Book of Enoch 935 00:33:21,630 --> 00:33:20,500 had an astrological book in it I mean 936 00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:21,640 how the hell doesn't Walter Raleigh 937 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,320 notice and of course he's getting this 938 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:25,120 information from his fellow spymaster 939 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:27,880 dr. John Dee so that only adds fuel that 940 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:29,770 the you know was a likely source for 941 00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:31,810 this Lost Book of Enoch fascinating 942 00:33:35,340 --> 00:33:34,060 character I'll just wrap up on this you 943 00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:35,350 know it's something I talk about in the 944 00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:36,670 book and again it comes from the world 945 00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:38,590 of you can't make this stuff up in his 946 00:33:42,299 --> 00:33:40,419 modus hieroglyphic he 947 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:42,309 talks about how God operates he talks 948 00:33:46,289 --> 00:33:44,529 about God you know on this vortex one 949 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:46,299 plus two plus three plus four all 950 00:33:50,369 --> 00:33:48,340 positive numbers five six seven eight or 951 00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:50,379 negative numbers nine is a null bumper 952 00:33:56,129 --> 00:33:53,590 and he gets into how God created nature 953 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:56,139 and he says that the number the 954 00:33:59,940 --> 00:33:58,210 alchemical number that God used to 955 00:34:03,299 --> 00:33:59,950 create nature created the universe is 956 00:34:05,369 --> 00:34:03,309 the number 252 it's geometric perfection 957 00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:05,379 fast forward five hundred years later a 958 00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:07,389 mathematician named Buckminster Fuller 959 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:10,359 is designing Epcot Center he is known as 960 00:34:14,970 --> 00:34:12,280 the Benjamin Franklin of the Space Age 961 00:34:17,490 --> 00:34:14,980 and Buckminster Fuller published 962 00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:17,500 numerous mathematical treatise and as he 963 00:34:21,329 --> 00:34:19,540 was doing this he was unbeknownst to him 964 00:34:22,619 --> 00:34:21,339 he probably wasn't familiar almost I'm 965 00:34:24,539 --> 00:34:22,629 certain he wasn't familiar of the works 966 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:24,549 of John Dee and he works his huge 967 00:34:29,099 --> 00:34:26,530 mathematical treatise where he says I 968 00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:29,109 figured out how God operates he uses a 969 00:34:32,849 --> 00:34:31,540 plus one plus two plus three and a 970 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:32,859 negative five negative six negative 971 00:34:38,970 --> 00:34:35,290 seven negative eight in this equilibrium 972 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:38,980 vortex D call this constant mama ties in 973 00:34:42,809 --> 00:34:41,530 with the union of opposites and full is 974 00:34:44,669 --> 00:34:42,819 interesting because he's the guy who 975 00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:44,679 designed Epcot Center and you know it's 976 00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,899 geometric perfection and anyway five 977 00:34:50,609 --> 00:34:49,359 hundred years later both Minster Fuller 978 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,619 actually comes up with the same number 979 00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:52,960 as Dee said the way God operates is the 980 00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,839 number 252 and once you discover this 981 00:35:00,210 --> 00:34:58,000 and once you decode the mathematical and 982 00:35:02,579 --> 00:35:00,220 occult meaning of this number you'll get 983 00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,589 a better glimpse of how God operates so 984 00:35:07,020 --> 00:35:04,720 you have this whole John D buckminster 985 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:07,030 fuller interplay going on with the 986 00:35:11,099 --> 00:35:09,130 creation of EPCOT Center of course the 987 00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:11,109 natural Disney movies have esoteric 988 00:35:14,730 --> 00:35:13,359 imagery as well but Epcot Center you 989 00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:14,740 know is one of the most premier 990 00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:17,980 well-known icons of Walt Disney and to 991 00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:19,630 think that there is the guy who designed 992 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:20,710 it there is this clear 993 00:35:25,410 --> 00:35:23,410 mathematical influence with John D of 994 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:25,420 all things with Buckminster Fuller it's 995 00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,730 a fascinating study if you're interested 996 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:28,960 in this I mean I'm just scratching the 997 00:35:32,579 --> 00:35:30,010 surface of it great 998 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:32,589 by all means read cinema symbolism too 999 00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:35,230 because I opened the Walt Disney chapter 1000 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,480 with this whole breakdown of john d his 1001 00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,760 occult mathematics and how it ties into 1002 00:35:44,130 --> 00:35:42,400 Buckminster Fuller 500 years later with 1003 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:44,140 the Epcot Center it's a fascinating 1004 00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:47,230 study it really is and these guys are 1005 00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:49,420 always intriguing to me I guess you have 1006 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:51,369 to have a pretty deep understanding of 1007 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:53,290 the code of reality if you're trying to 1008 00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:53,890 jail 1009 00:35:59,220 --> 00:35:56,560 break the material construct or explore 1010 00:36:02,070 --> 00:35:59,230 that deeper game to reality that isn't 1011 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:02,080 necessarily on the surface absolutely I 1012 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:03,850 mean that's exactly what these guys were 1013 00:36:07,860 --> 00:36:05,890 doing was trying to deconstruct the 1014 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,870 material world and work on this divine 1015 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:09,940 claim and he claims to have figured this 1016 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:12,430 out and you'll find a symbolism in a lot 1017 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:14,290 of his front pieces with the rare 1018 00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,930 navigational mathematical treaty you'll 1019 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:18,640 notice on the one side there's four 1020 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:20,290 things going up and then there's another 1021 00:36:24,030 --> 00:36:21,970 set of four and then you have lady 1022 00:36:26,070 --> 00:36:24,040 occasion or lady Fortuna pointing for 1023 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:26,080 the horizon that ties into the number 9 1024 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,570 because 9 is always on the horizon it's 1025 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:30,880 a palindromic number probably been it 1026 00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,170 pronounced that correctly and have to go 1027 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:34,000 pull the book to get this correct but 1028 00:36:40,770 --> 00:36:35,890 you know all the mathematical numbers 1029 00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,780 it's 18 1 plus 8 is 9 you know 27 2 plus 1030 00:36:43,890 --> 00:36:41,920 7 is 9 1031 00:36:46,860 --> 00:36:43,900 it's that series of numbers that creates 1032 00:36:48,990 --> 00:36:46,870 this horizon and B and 4 said 9 is a 1033 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:49,000 null number it's a nothing number and 1034 00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:51,130 this is why you get it in language you 1035 00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:54,160 know words like nothing or 9 in Germany 1036 00:36:59,340 --> 00:36:57,580 or not and yet they orient in Russian 1037 00:37:01,860 --> 00:36:59,350 it's all this interplay with the number 1038 00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:01,870 9 and you'll find on that front piece 1039 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:03,910 that you know lady for occasion is lady 1040 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:05,770 occasion lady Fortuna is pointing at the 1041 00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:08,170 horizon and it's because 9 is an old 1042 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:09,910 number and you get into this whole thing 1043 00:37:14,850 --> 00:37:12,490 of one plus two plus three plus four or 1044 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:14,860 the positive numbers 5 6 7 8 or the 1045 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:17,290 negative numbers and B and fuller both 1046 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:19,240 claim that once you figure this out and 1047 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:21,370 you work the number 252 in you could 1048 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:23,050 actually begin to think like God and 1049 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:24,970 again it's a fascinating study by all 1050 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:26,650 means check out cinema symbolism too and 1051 00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:28,330 the fact that actually ties into Walt 1052 00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:30,430 Disney and the Epcot Center even makes 1053 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:33,420 this more interesting right we are so 1054 00:37:39,090 --> 00:37:36,130 conditioned kind of think about numbers 1055 00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:39,100 in sets of 10 and I guess it's kind of 1056 00:37:42,780 --> 00:37:40,870 the wrong way to go about it because 1057 00:37:45,690 --> 00:37:42,790 when you think about 9 as a null number 1058 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:45,700 it seems really unbalanced at first 1059 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:47,050 thought because you're thinking about 1060 00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:49,990 sets of 10 and I don't know there's 1061 00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:51,760 probably a much better way to teach math 1062 00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:54,910 to people well yeah I mean if you get 1063 00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:57,220 into Pythagorean mathematics 10 is the 1064 00:38:01,980 --> 00:37:59,410 number of divinity 10 is the number of 1065 00:38:05,070 --> 00:38:01,990 God and it's interesting that Dee and 1066 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:05,080 fuller worked on the numbers 1 2 3 4 and 1067 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:07,360 the numbers 5 6 7 8 and then 9 1068 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:09,610 nothing and again it ties into what he 1069 00:38:14,910 --> 00:38:11,650 called console Mota the union of 1070 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:14,920 opposites male-female like dark Sun Moon 1071 00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:17,890 and the number 252 revolved around all 1072 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:19,780 this this was like sort of the number of 1073 00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:21,730 creation and again what makes this so 1074 00:38:26,430 --> 00:38:23,320 fascinating is Dee is talking about this 1075 00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:26,440 in the 1500s and Buckminster Fuller the 1076 00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:28,420 renowned mathematician is talking about 1077 00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:30,040 this five hundred years later saying 1078 00:38:34,530 --> 00:38:32,140 almost the exact same thing so you had 1079 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:34,540 two guys separated by five hundred years 1080 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:36,190 who are considered geniuses Renaissance 1081 00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:38,110 men of their time coming up with the 1082 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:40,540 same equation and again like I said if 1083 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:42,310 you're interested in this you know it's 1084 00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:44,290 really deep material and I know I'm 1085 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:46,270 mispronouncing those words it's 1086 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:49,690 palindromic it's numbers you know - 772 1087 00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,810 for five before these palindromic pairs 1088 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:54,640 that are the number nine that always 1089 00:38:58,650 --> 00:38:56,470 puts it on the horizon and you'll find 1090 00:38:59,940 --> 00:38:58,660 the symbolism encoded in this d front 1091 00:39:01,830 --> 00:38:59,950 the piece from his treatise on 1092 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:01,840 navigation and I get into this whole 1093 00:39:05,250 --> 00:39:03,490 breakdown in cinema symbolism too 1094 00:39:07,230 --> 00:39:05,260 because it actually does tie into Walt 1095 00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:07,240 Disney of all things so you know 1096 00:39:10,050 --> 00:39:08,920 definitely check out the book like I 1097 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:10,060 said I'm kind of scratching the surface 1098 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:11,410 or when I don't want to get into a 1099 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:13,210 mathematical lecture here but it is 1100 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:15,130 without question Greg I don't dispute it 1101 00:39:20,730 --> 00:39:17,770 a fascinating subject and like I said if 1102 00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:20,740 you think the told John D influence or 1103 00:39:24,180 --> 00:39:22,900 Ian Fleming is out of this world and 1104 00:39:25,890 --> 00:39:24,190 comes from the world of can't make this 1105 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:25,900 stuff up the John Dee influence will 1106 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:27,730 Buckminster Fuller will just literally 1107 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:30,730 blow your mind away mm-hmm there well 1108 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:32,770 man and you break down like I said 1109 00:39:36,750 --> 00:39:34,930 several Disney films and the older 1110 00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,760 stories that they're based on Sleeping 1111 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:39,040 Beauty Snow White but one I hoped we 1112 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:40,570 could get into and a little bit of depth 1113 00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:42,370 is the Lion King because I recently was 1114 00:39:47,970 --> 00:39:46,030 getting into a very deep lecture from 1115 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:47,980 Jordan Peterson about the Lion King as a 1116 00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:50,260 retelling of the Osiris myth really 1117 00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:51,520 interesting can you talk to us about 1118 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:53,920 those parallels and how that myth really 1119 00:39:56,940 --> 00:39:55,690 does seem to be the heart of the film oh 1120 00:39:58,860 --> 00:39:56,950 absolutely 1121 00:40:00,180 --> 00:39:58,870 yeah The Lion King is just I mean it was 1122 00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:00,190 this was the second highest grossing 1123 00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:03,580 movie of 1994 behind Forrest Gump loads 1124 00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:04,990 of parallels in that movie with the 1125 00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:07,150 Egyptian oh sorry in cycle and the 1126 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:09,340 Shakespeare play Hamlet as well you have 1127 00:40:13,620 --> 00:40:11,410 a whole soul or allegory going on I mean 1128 00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:13,630 of course this is resurrecting of Cyrus 1129 00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:16,060 and Horus is solar air you find this 1130 00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:18,340 with Mustapha who's clearly Osiris 1131 00:40:21,060 --> 00:40:20,710 character who is murdered by his brother 1132 00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:21,070 and 1133 00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:23,350 or brother in this movie who is the set 1134 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:25,720 that worked - character was scar and 1135 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:27,400 then you have the whole solar air which 1136 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:29,170 would be Horus and of course this is 1137 00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,630 Simba and I just love the whole you know 1138 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:33,760 you have this incredible solar allegory 1139 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:36,190 going on where it's the pride lands it's 1140 00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,230 the death and rebirth of the Sun when 1141 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:40,000 the Sun is in the pride lands the pride 1142 00:40:43,770 --> 00:40:42,130 lands in Africa are you know healthy 1143 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:43,780 they're growing they're very vibrant 1144 00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:47,380 once of Cyrus or Mustapha is killed and 1145 00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:50,470 Horus or symbol flees the pride lands 1146 00:40:55,530 --> 00:40:52,870 fall into a state of decay death think 1147 00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:55,540 winter think of the movie Excalibur when 1148 00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:57,910 King Arthur goes into a comatose state 1149 00:41:01,890 --> 00:40:59,950 and he becomes impotent and he's reduced 1150 00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:01,900 to the chair the entire country signed 1151 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:03,670 is turned into a wasteland this is 1152 00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:05,770 because the Sun is missing we know they 1153 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:09,160 are a solar family reliant and of course 1154 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:12,010 Mustafa and Simba I mean the lion is a 1155 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:13,990 symbol for the Sun this comes from the 1156 00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:16,210 constellation of Leo the Lion which is 1157 00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:18,910 the sole house of the Sun of course set 1158 00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:22,630 is darkness personified Osiris is light 1159 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:25,120 you know Horus is like you have the 1160 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:27,610 whole thing where what are the three 1161 00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:30,010 stations of the Sun the Sun rises in the 1162 00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:32,500 east it's at midday in the south and it 1163 00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:33,580 sets in the west 1164 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:35,350 where's the one station that the Sun can 1165 00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,780 never go in it's in the north and this 1166 00:41:42,510 --> 00:41:40,240 is exactly explained in the movie The 1167 00:41:44,670 --> 00:41:42,520 Lion King when Mustafa is explained to 1168 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:44,680 Simba darkness he says what's that over 1169 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:45,880 there he says oh that's the elephant 1170 00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:47,410 graveyard you said that's in the north 1171 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,150 he said we don't go there that's 1172 00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:51,040 off-limits we never go into the north 1173 00:41:54,990 --> 00:41:52,720 and of course that's because that's the 1174 00:41:57,090 --> 00:41:55,000 place where the Sun can never go is the 1175 00:41:59,130 --> 00:41:57,100 north I mean that's a very adroit that's 1176 00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:59,140 was very well done by the filmmakers so 1177 00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:00,910 we had this whole solar allegory and of 1178 00:42:03,900 --> 00:42:01,300 course 1179 00:42:05,970 --> 00:42:03,910 Osiris gets killed off Simba comes back 1180 00:42:07,890 --> 00:42:05,980 as the resurrected Horus defeats the 1181 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:07,900 dark evil Lord which of course is 1182 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:09,550 scarred this would be the set character 1183 00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:13,570 the lion as the Sun Christ figure look 1184 00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,340 no further than the Harry Potter story 1185 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:17,440 as well where the symbol for Gryffindor 1186 00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:20,110 is the lion Harry Potter is the Christ 1187 00:42:24,090 --> 00:42:22,390 figure and then much like pooris doing 1188 00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:24,100 battle with the dark evil Lord this 1189 00:42:28,350 --> 00:42:26,140 would be set what's the symbol for set 1190 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:28,360 the Python and snake what's the symbol 1191 00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:30,730 of his archenemy you know Slytherin 1192 00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,980 this is Lord Waldo mod returned to the 1193 00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:34,960 chronicle of Narnia Aslan 1194 00:42:38,849 --> 00:42:36,609 you know the lion is to win battle with 1195 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:38,859 what perpetual winter this is the Sun 1196 00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:41,710 versus light manichaean ISM light versus 1197 00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:43,720 darkness good versus evil this is all 1198 00:42:48,329 --> 00:42:45,369 plays out very well in the Lion King 1199 00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:48,339 barrier called very esoteric and you 1200 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:50,500 also have I'll just wrap up on this Greg 1201 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:52,330 the interplay with the Shakespeare 1202 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:54,130 playing Hamlet you had the dark evil 1203 00:42:58,650 --> 00:42:55,750 uncle Claudius figure which would be 1204 00:43:01,230 --> 00:42:58,660 scar you have the Horatio figure which 1205 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:01,240 is Pumbaa and Simba or Tim bye believe 1206 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,530 their names are who are sort of the 1207 00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:04,240 friends who help them out Oh Timon and 1208 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:06,369 Pumbaa yeah that's it that's it I'm 1209 00:43:11,730 --> 00:43:09,460 sorry the Hakuna Matata characters thing 1210 00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:11,740 yeah I forgive me on that one but yeah 1211 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:13,540 you had the whole interplay going on 1212 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:15,609 with Hamlet as well and of course it's 1213 00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,170 the same thing with Hamlet you know to 1214 00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:19,119 be or not to be do I kill myself or do I 1215 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:21,430 kill uncle Scar you know or my evil 1216 00:43:24,839 --> 00:43:23,050 uncle Claudius and this is exactly 1217 00:43:27,060 --> 00:43:24,849 what's going on in the Lion King to be 1218 00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:27,070 or not to be can I just relax here or do 1219 00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:28,900 I got to take my place and go back to 1220 00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:30,670 the pride lands and take my proper seat 1221 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:31,660 where I should be 1222 00:43:36,329 --> 00:43:33,700 so yeah loads of Egyptian solar 1223 00:43:38,070 --> 00:43:36,339 symbolism going on in the Lion King it's 1224 00:43:39,900 --> 00:43:38,080 a great movie it's very uh sir 1225 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:39,910 technically it takes place in Africa so 1226 00:43:44,250 --> 00:43:41,170 I mean right there we're dealing with 1227 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:44,260 Egyptian symbolism decided Shakespeare 1228 00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:46,690 influenced woman as well great movie a 1229 00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:48,910 very occult I broke it down in the book 1230 00:43:52,700 --> 00:43:50,260 and it was probably one of my favorite 1231 00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:52,710 Disney movies to take one very esoteric 1232 00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:55,960 very enlightening yeah I agree I think 1233 00:44:00,359 --> 00:43:58,210 it is probably my favorite childhood 1234 00:44:02,310 --> 00:44:00,369 Disney movie and those layers just make 1235 00:44:05,550 --> 00:44:02,320 it all the more meaningful and you 1236 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:05,560 mentioned Harry Potter that is a section 1237 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,970 of the book that I really love those 1238 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,280 movies take up a huge chunk of cinema 1239 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:11,680 symbolism too obviously there's a lot to 1240 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,180 parse out there you talked about a 1241 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:15,280 little bit of it and in a big way it 1242 00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:18,130 does mirror those same recurring themes 1243 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:20,230 we see and so many of these films but 1244 00:44:24,089 --> 00:44:21,970 what else do you find interesting about 1245 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:24,099 the symbolism of the Harry Potter 1246 00:44:28,260 --> 00:44:27,010 franchise in particular yeah absolutely 1247 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:28,270 this was something that I had originally 1248 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:30,130 planned one doing for the first movie 1249 00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:31,990 book but I just ran out of time you're 1250 00:44:35,490 --> 00:44:33,580 absolutely right Craig I mean here we go 1251 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:35,500 again we have the hero's journey the 1252 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:37,150 hero being plucked from the common place 1253 00:44:41,430 --> 00:44:39,609 to go battle with a dark evil Lord think 1254 00:44:43,470 --> 00:44:41,440 Frodo Baggins and Lord of the Rings you 1255 00:44:45,450 --> 00:44:43,480 know think to look Skywalker in Star 1256 00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:45,460 Wars I mean here we go Harry Potter 1257 00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:48,470 again invested as the Christ 1258 00:44:52,270 --> 00:44:49,940 who's gonna save the Wizarding World 1259 00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:52,280 from the dark evil Lord good symbol for 1260 00:44:56,650 --> 00:44:54,619 Gryffindor his house is the Sun the lion 1261 00:44:57,849 --> 00:44:56,660 doing battle with perpetual darkness the 1262 00:45:00,940 --> 00:44:57,859 serpent set 1263 00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:00,950 - Lord Bordeaux mod you know I love you 1264 00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,020 had the Hermes Trismegistus wizard 1265 00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:05,359 archetype really the great incarnation 1266 00:45:09,460 --> 00:45:07,790 of that with Albus Dumbledore he turns 1267 00:45:11,980 --> 00:45:09,470 up in other films as well naturally 1268 00:45:14,349 --> 00:45:11,990 think Gandalf the Grey and Lord of the 1269 00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,359 Rings obi-wan Kenobi in Star Wars the 1270 00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,400 old gray beard this is you know the 1271 00:45:21,370 --> 00:45:19,040 wizard the Hermit card of the Tarot this 1272 00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:21,380 archetype very interesting Masonic 1273 00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,510 symbolism going on I say in the book 1274 00:45:26,589 --> 00:45:25,520 that I'm one percent convinced whether 1275 00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:26,599 she knows it or not 1276 00:45:31,089 --> 00:45:29,180 Rowling has this Masonic influence going 1277 00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,099 one or she at least subconsciously I 1278 00:45:34,330 --> 00:45:32,480 don't know if she's aware of it or not I 1279 00:45:35,950 --> 00:45:34,340 love at the beginning of the second 1280 00:45:37,900 --> 00:45:35,960 movie where the Masons are coming over 1281 00:45:39,490 --> 00:45:37,910 it's a great meeting that's going to 1282 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:39,500 take place and the mothers running 1283 00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:41,330 around in our apron and you know we 1284 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:42,920 can't screw up the Masons are coming 1285 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:44,570 over and this is career advancement and 1286 00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:46,490 this is you know gonna be wonderful and 1287 00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:48,470 of course this conjures this idea of 1288 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:50,510 Masons pulling the strings being puppet 1289 00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:52,310 masters this is at the very beginning of 1290 00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:54,260 the second movie this is chamber of 1291 00:45:56,589 --> 00:45:54,830 secrets 1292 00:45:58,540 --> 00:45:56,599 again this is reiterated in all things 1293 00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,550 in the first movie where you have the 1294 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:00,400 Albus Dumbledore Hermes Trismegistus 1295 00:46:05,650 --> 00:46:02,210 archetype and if you're familiar with 1296 00:46:07,810 --> 00:46:05,660 Royal Arch of Enoch mythology you have 1297 00:46:09,339 --> 00:46:07,820 this whole idea of Enoch creating the 1298 00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:09,349 subterranean vault where he keeps his 1299 00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,240 treasure in it and this treasure vault 1300 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:12,560 is ultimately discovered by the 1301 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:15,290 Freemasons and this treasure is restored 1302 00:46:18,940 --> 00:46:17,210 back to mankind and if you're familiar 1303 00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:18,950 with the mythology and the philosophy of 1304 00:46:23,260 --> 00:46:21,140 this ritual this subterranean treasure 1305 00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:23,270 vault where there's Tetragrammaton where 1306 00:46:27,490 --> 00:46:25,190 this great treasure is kept is invaded 1307 00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:27,500 by or discovered by two mythological 1308 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:29,630 characters prior to the Masons getting 1309 00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:31,970 there one is armies Trismegistus you 1310 00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:33,140 know this is the albus dumbledore a 1311 00:46:37,060 --> 00:46:35,150 character who in the Masonic mythology 1312 00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:37,070 you understand I just want the listeners 1313 00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:38,180 to say you understand where I'm going 1314 00:46:42,579 --> 00:46:39,740 with this in a minute in the Masonic 1315 00:46:45,130 --> 00:46:42,589 mythology Hermes Trismegistus pronounces 1316 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:45,140 this magical word this name of God the 1317 00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:47,330 Tetragrammaton restores the seven 1318 00:46:51,010 --> 00:46:48,680 liberal arts and sciences back to 1319 00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:51,020 mankind then Pythagoras goes into the 1320 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:53,060 vault and pronounces the Tetragrammaton 1321 00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:55,130 and restores mathematics back to mankind 1322 00:46:59,410 --> 00:46:57,470 in the Masonic high degrees this is the 1323 00:47:00,880 --> 00:46:59,420 seventh degree in New York right and the 1324 00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:00,890 thirteenth degree in the Scottish Rite 1325 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:02,200 it's known as the world 1326 00:47:06,269 --> 00:47:04,089 and believe it or not you have the 1327 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:06,279 Hermes Trismegistus archetype albus 1328 00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:06,730 dumbledore 1329 00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,440 and what does he have in the first movie 1330 00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:10,000 why he has a subterranean vault beneath 1331 00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:13,359 Gringotts very free masonic very not Ian 1332 00:47:16,740 --> 00:47:14,920 what does he keep there well he keeps 1333 00:47:18,059 --> 00:47:16,750 his magic there he keeps this great 1334 00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,069 treasure in there in fact we don't even 1335 00:47:21,690 --> 00:47:19,599 know what it is it winds up being the 1336 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:21,700 philosopher's stone of all things but we 1337 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:23,170 take this even further I mean what is 1338 00:47:28,650 --> 00:47:25,690 the number of this vault well of all 1339 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:28,660 things it's 713 of all things a clear 1340 00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:30,490 reference to the 7th degree in New York 1341 00:47:34,259 --> 00:47:32,529 right a clear reference to the 13th 1342 00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:34,269 degree in the Scottish Rite you cannot 1343 00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:36,700 make that up very free Masonic with very 1344 00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:39,250 high degree three Masonic very occult 1345 00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:41,740 Harry Potter's movies are overloaded 1346 00:47:45,779 --> 00:47:43,990 with esoteric symbolism the number seven 1347 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:45,789 turns up you'll have interplay with the 1348 00:47:48,299 --> 00:47:47,650 characters numbers with astrology in 1349 00:47:50,759 --> 00:47:48,309 astronomy 1350 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:50,769 think Sirius Black Sirius is the 1351 00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:53,170 Egyptian dog star his last name is black 1352 00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:55,420 so what does he turn into the black dog 1353 00:47:58,410 --> 00:47:56,319 of all things 1354 00:48:00,000 --> 00:47:58,420 Bellatrix Lestrange Bellatrix means 1355 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:00,010 warrior you know and of course she's the 1356 00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:02,410 warrior for Lord water Maud loads of 1357 00:48:05,849 --> 00:48:04,420 esoteric imagery going one I'm just 1358 00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,859 scratching the surface what it was like 1359 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:07,599 you said a deep study in the book I was 1360 00:48:11,069 --> 00:48:09,670 real happy with the way the Harry Potter 1361 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:11,079 material came out again this was 1362 00:48:14,730 --> 00:48:13,089 something I wanted to take one in the 1363 00:48:16,589 --> 00:48:14,740 first book I ran out of time I'll just 1364 00:48:18,779 --> 00:48:16,599 wrap up and say all these movies all the 1365 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:18,789 Harry Potter movies are microcosms of 1366 00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:20,890 the joseph campbell monomyth the hero's 1367 00:48:24,839 --> 00:48:22,390 journey you will find elements 1368 00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:24,849 components of that grand adventure in 1369 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:26,559 all the Harry Potter movies if you're 1370 00:48:30,089 --> 00:48:28,089 interested in Harry Potter by all means 1371 00:48:31,769 --> 00:48:30,099 check out cinema symbolism - I was 1372 00:48:34,769 --> 00:48:31,779 really really happy great with the way 1373 00:48:36,930 --> 00:48:34,779 the break came out right yeah it is a 1374 00:48:38,940 --> 00:48:36,940 really great breakdown in you did bring 1375 00:48:42,059 --> 00:48:38,950 up an interesting point just about JK 1376 00:48:44,519 --> 00:48:42,069 Rowling herself or the overnight success 1377 00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:44,529 of these books and films I mean they 1378 00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:47,140 clearly speak to us in some type of way 1379 00:48:53,099 --> 00:48:50,319 and it does beg the question did JK 1380 00:48:55,499 --> 00:48:53,109 Rowling actually have all this context 1381 00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:55,509 or was it subconscious it almost seems 1382 00:49:01,859 --> 00:48:59,640 to deliberate and to layered to not be 1383 00:49:05,009 --> 00:49:01,869 somewhat intentional and it gets into 1384 00:49:07,289 --> 00:49:05,019 the idea of is this possibly the 1385 00:49:09,779 --> 00:49:07,299 networking aspect of Freemasonry if she 1386 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:09,789 did have that background or is it a 1387 00:49:14,819 --> 00:49:12,730 natural subconscious mechanism where an 1388 00:49:15,810 --> 00:49:14,829 artist taps into something primal and 1389 00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,820 then it 1390 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:17,440 Nate's with people and attracts them 1391 00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:20,170 almost magnetically it's it's a hard 1392 00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,780 thing to parse out it is I it's great I 1393 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:24,160 totally agree with you I think in a lot 1394 00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:26,170 of cases it's very intentional I mean 1395 00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:28,150 she clearly has some knowledge of this I 1396 00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:29,230 mean in the book she talks about 1397 00:49:33,540 --> 00:49:31,720 Paracelsus so she has some working of 1398 00:49:35,190 --> 00:49:33,550 the occult I don't know if the free 1399 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:35,200 Masonic stuff if that's conscious or 1400 00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:37,330 subconscious but it's there you know 1401 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:38,830 it's clearly there and you're absolutely 1402 00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:40,570 right I mean this ties into the whole 1403 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:42,070 notion of I mean when I do these 1404 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:43,690 breakdowns of these movies don't get me 1405 00:49:46,830 --> 00:49:44,890 wrong I think this is very intentional 1406 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:46,840 but you will find from time to time 1407 00:49:50,430 --> 00:49:48,940 occasionally where maybe it is a 1408 00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:50,440 coincidence and how do you account for 1409 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:52,180 it and then you're dealing with ideas 1410 00:49:56,460 --> 00:49:53,890 related to the collective unconscious of 1411 00:49:58,440 --> 00:49:56,470 Carl Gustav Jung Plato's theory of forms 1412 00:50:00,660 --> 00:49:58,450 you know is it unintentional and like 1413 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:00,670 you said does it just draw the psyche to 1414 00:50:04,830 --> 00:50:02,650 this material regardless of the 1415 00:50:07,710 --> 00:50:04,840 creator's intent and certainly you know 1416 00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:07,720 movies are hard work they are a creation 1417 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:09,820 and when these filmmakers producers 1418 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:12,450 writers script writers filmmakers 1419 00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:14,170 cinematographers or crafting these 1420 00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,300 things are they being influenced 1421 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:18,400 subconsciously it's very possible I 1422 00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:20,530 think it can be the case in some times 1423 00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:23,230 but for me I am 100% convinced that 1424 00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:26,020 these symbols and this Arcana what 1425 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:28,630 mainly people would call the arcane arc 1426 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:30,490 and Oram something like that you know 1427 00:50:34,110 --> 00:50:32,290 does permeate these things and these 1428 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:34,120 people do seem to be familiar with this 1429 00:50:37,590 --> 00:50:36,370 and I think with Rowling when you're 1430 00:50:39,630 --> 00:50:37,600 getting into the Harry Potter stuff 1431 00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:39,640 clearly you have I mean I think she 1432 00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:40,840 knows what she's doing you have the 1433 00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:43,030 whole Harry Potter Christ allegory light 1434 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:44,560 versus darkness I mean he's killed he's 1435 00:50:49,830 --> 00:50:46,810 resurrected you had the wizard archetype 1436 00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:49,840 clearly she's drawing upon archetypal 1437 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:52,240 imagery like I said think obi-wan Kenobi 1438 00:50:55,410 --> 00:50:54,250 think Gandalf the Grey I mean you get 1439 00:50:57,930 --> 00:50:55,420 the character you know they all look 1440 00:50:59,970 --> 00:50:57,940 alike but you know with the Masonic 1441 00:51:00,900 --> 00:50:59,980 stuff I think she has a working 1442 00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:00,910 knowledge of it 1443 00:51:06,210 --> 00:51:04,660 she may deny it but it's there and you 1444 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:06,220 know it's irrefutable that it's there 1445 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:08,650 and I'm convinced it's intentional but 1446 00:51:13,470 --> 00:51:11,290 who knows maybe she was just writing it 1447 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:13,480 and it somehow was her collective 1448 00:51:17,070 --> 00:51:15,010 unconscious the collective unconscious 1449 00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:17,080 going to work on JK Rowling I suppose 1450 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:20,670 that's very possible as well mm-hmm and 1451 00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:23,890 there's a motif that kind of comes up in 1452 00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,630 this realm sometimes where people talk 1453 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:28,240 about gatekeepers in the media and that 1454 00:51:31,770 --> 00:51:29,530 only certain people 1455 00:51:33,330 --> 00:51:31,780 allowed to rise to a certain level JK 1456 00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:33,340 Rowling obviously rose to one of those 1457 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:35,950 highest levels and we're given the story 1458 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:38,530 of a struggling artist who started all 1459 00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:39,970 this on the back of some napkins 1460 00:51:45,810 --> 00:51:43,150 suddenly and it's like well that could 1461 00:51:48,030 --> 00:51:45,820 be some kind of cover story for an 1462 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:48,040 Insider initiates advantage that they 1463 00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:49,810 don't want to necessarily disclose or 1464 00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:52,720 that what makes sense as a sudden stroke 1465 00:51:58,500 --> 00:51:56,080 of some archetypical inspiration but 1466 00:52:00,450 --> 00:51:58,510 you're right it's very layered and she 1467 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:00,460 clearly has some knowledge so it's like 1468 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:03,010 where did it come from there is the 1469 00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:05,170 intentional portion start and where does 1470 00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:07,360 the collective unconscious end right 1471 00:52:11,820 --> 00:52:09,070 is really the question and it's very 1472 00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:11,830 hard to discern but she did catch 1473 00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,780 lightning in a bottle and it's funny 1474 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:15,760 because it happens different ways for 1475 00:52:19,770 --> 00:52:17,890 some people you know she happened to 1476 00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:19,780 catch lightning in a bottle and the 1477 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:22,720 books took off and she became very 1478 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:25,450 famous very quickly you look at someone 1479 00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:27,490 like Ian Fleming being Fleming was 1480 00:52:31,530 --> 00:52:29,260 writing the James Bond stories for ten 1481 00:52:33,450 --> 00:52:31,540 years and really before anyone noticed 1482 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:33,460 it was ten years before those books 1483 00:52:37,710 --> 00:52:35,890 really started to catch one and when 1484 00:52:40,020 --> 00:52:37,720 they caught one that's when Hollywood 1485 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:40,030 came knocking and the first movie was 1486 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:43,210 being made and Fleming died hmm he never 1487 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:45,450 really lived to see this James Bond 1488 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:48,490 creation this huge worldwide phenomenon 1489 00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:50,410 that was created off his stories you 1490 00:52:54,450 --> 00:52:52,750 look at someone like HP Lovecraft who 1491 00:52:57,330 --> 00:52:54,460 wrote these stories during his lifetime 1492 00:52:59,730 --> 00:52:57,340 and died very young yeah I think he was 1493 00:53:01,830 --> 00:52:59,740 46 when he died and the stories during 1494 00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:01,840 his lifetime really never did anything 1495 00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:04,150 he was a toy after he died quite some 1496 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:05,920 time I might add I think it was until 1497 00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:09,130 the 1950s I think he died at 36 37 so it 1498 00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,780 wasn't really until the 1950s that his 1499 00:53:14,550 --> 00:53:12,880 more cottle one and sorry people started 1500 00:53:15,870 --> 00:53:14,560 paying attention Edgar Allen Poe was 1501 00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:15,880 another one during his lifetime 1502 00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:17,830 I mean people read them but it wasn't 1503 00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,750 until years after his death that this 1504 00:53:24,210 --> 00:53:22,720 cult of Edgar Allan Poe turned up so for 1505 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:24,220 different people it happens different 1506 00:53:28,500 --> 00:53:26,530 ways who knows who knows that there's a 1507 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:28,510 hidden hand at work but you know people 1508 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:30,010 achieve it different ways sometimes 1509 00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:31,930 during the lifetime sometimes after 1510 00:53:36,450 --> 00:53:33,700 they're dead I guess we'll never know 1511 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:36,460 why or how but I think on a lot of times 1512 00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:39,010 this material this esoteric imagery is 1513 00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,990 intentional I mean I say it in the book 1514 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:42,880 I use it I have hidden so 1515 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:44,890 in my book so these people know what 1516 00:53:48,810 --> 00:53:47,050 they're going and it's intentional but 1517 00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:48,820 who knows maybe the collective 1518 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:51,070 unconscious does come into play and work 1519 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:53,050 its magic in some instances I think 1520 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:54,010 that's very possible 1521 00:53:58,650 --> 00:53:56,410 yeah well said it isn't all black and 1522 00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,660 white and of course networking plays an 1523 00:54:02,730 --> 00:54:00,880 element and almost all aspects of life 1524 00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,740 but sometimes I think that attitude of 1525 00:54:07,470 --> 00:54:05,200 oh well you have to be part of the club 1526 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:07,480 is something that people use to kind of 1527 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:09,370 justify their own lack of success 1528 00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:12,250 sometimes it's kind of a harsh truth but 1529 00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,110 I've seen it happen and to get back into 1530 00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:16,000 the content here when it comes to Harry 1531 00:54:19,050 --> 00:54:17,320 Potter I thought this was pretty 1532 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:19,060 interesting one unique element is the 1533 00:54:23,250 --> 00:54:20,530 Quidditch game it's actually quite 1534 00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:23,260 deeper than I realized apparently and 1535 00:54:26,610 --> 00:54:24,790 the Golden Snitch being a perfect 1536 00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:26,620 representation of the Egyptian solar 1537 00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:28,840 disk and the game itself is actually an 1538 00:54:33,060 --> 00:54:30,880 analogy for that quest for enlightenment 1539 00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:33,070 right I mean you're chasing the light so 1540 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:35,830 to speak right right that's absolutely 1541 00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:37,210 right if you look at the Golden Snitch 1542 00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:39,700 it's actually the Egyptians the winged 1543 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:41,830 solar disk from Egypt and again what 1544 00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,170 it's doing is right I mean to catch it 1545 00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:46,720 is to win and it's chasing light it's 1546 00:54:49,770 --> 00:54:49,270 chasing enlightenment and again what it 1547 00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:49,780 is doing 1548 00:54:54,930 --> 00:54:52,660 it's very adroit it's very esoteric it's 1549 00:54:57,540 --> 00:54:54,940 very well played it's very subtle it's 1550 00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,550 the Horus Sun symbolism that it's 1551 00:55:02,220 --> 00:54:59,680 investing potter with he's the solar 1552 00:55:03,660 --> 00:55:02,230 christ archetype he's the savior he's 1553 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:03,670 going to do battle with the dark evil 1554 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:06,490 figure and the pole Quidditch game and 1555 00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:08,410 the Golden Snitch the questions to 1556 00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:10,240 capture the Golden Snitch is pursuing 1557 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:12,340 light its pursuing wisdom and of course 1558 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:13,570 it's plotter who always winds up 1559 00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,460 catching it of all things and I just 1560 00:55:19,290 --> 00:55:17,680 thought that was a great symbol to use 1561 00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:19,300 if you look at that going to snitch with 1562 00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:21,310 the little wings it looks identical to 1563 00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:23,110 the winged Egyptian solar disk the 1564 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:25,900 symbol for the Sun it's Horus and again 1565 00:55:31,590 --> 00:55:28,900 it's the harry potter cloth Horus qua 1566 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:31,600 Christ Claus Sun allegory Savior 1567 00:55:35,820 --> 00:55:33,250 archetype and it's just a wonderful 1568 00:55:38,100 --> 00:55:35,830 esoteric symbol that Rowling and the 1569 00:55:41,310 --> 00:55:38,110 filmmakers are further using to invest 1570 00:55:44,130 --> 00:55:41,320 potter with the savior archetypal image 1571 00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:44,140 figure character and yeah that symbol of 1572 00:55:48,780 --> 00:55:46,390 the Golden Snitch very important and 1573 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:48,790 very symbolic no doubt about that 1574 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:51,010 yeah man it's just really great because 1575 00:55:54,750 --> 00:55:52,690 it really is the game within the game 1576 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:54,760 when I saw the movie and I was just 1577 00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,700 thinking of it on a surface level 1578 00:56:00,050 --> 00:55:58,440 I was like well what's the point of all 1579 00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:00,060 the other activities if all you have to 1580 00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:01,950 do is catch this little golden flying 1581 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:04,920 thing and that's the analogy because all 1582 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:06,450 the other things that the rest of the 1583 00:56:10,550 --> 00:56:08,970 people on the team are doing that stuff 1584 00:56:12,589 --> 00:56:10,560 is kind of just a distraction because 1585 00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,599 getting that Golden Snitch is what wins 1586 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:15,119 you the game so the parallel is like you 1587 00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:17,130 know that's the busy nonsense of daily 1588 00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:18,359 life when we really should be looking 1589 00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:20,790 deeper at that game to truly win you 1590 00:56:25,450 --> 00:56:22,920 can't really win unless you reach gnosis 1591 00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:25,460 so I just think it's fascinating 1592 00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:27,720 absolutely no you're spot-on with that I 1593 00:56:30,740 --> 00:56:29,190 mean that's right is the quest for 1594 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,750 enlightenment wins you the game the rest 1595 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,119 of it is just sort of perfunctory you 1596 00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:35,520 know day to day nonsense and you're 1597 00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:37,230 right to pursue enlightenment to pursue 1598 00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:37,859 gnosis 1599 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,750 that's what Potter does and that allows 1600 00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:42,240 him to go on ultimately to defeat Lord 1601 00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:44,520 Voldemort and become like all these 1602 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:46,020 other guys gets killed and resurrected 1603 00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:48,690 and there you have it I mean you know 1604 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:51,060 your solar archetypal imagery right 1605 00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:53,369 there own screen no question about it 1606 00:56:58,570 --> 00:56:56,339 very esoteric great analogy there with 1607 00:57:01,280 --> 00:56:58,580 Quidditch you're spot-on with that and 1608 00:57:03,500 --> 00:57:01,290 just one more real question before we 1609 00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:03,510 get into the wrap-up stuff but as far as 1610 00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:05,910 Freemason symbols go in film you 1611 00:57:10,670 --> 00:57:08,460 mentioned the number 47 and how it 1612 00:57:13,790 --> 00:57:10,680 signifies Masonic rulership that it's an 1613 00:57:16,310 --> 00:57:13,800 occult reference to the 47th proposition 1614 00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:16,320 of Euclid or the Pythagorean theorem how 1615 00:57:21,050 --> 00:57:18,660 does this get into rulership and where 1616 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:21,060 do we see it represented in films well 1617 00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:21,930 right right 1618 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:24,119 the number 47 is your right to your 1619 00:57:28,550 --> 00:57:25,890 right it represents something known as 1620 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:28,560 the Pythagorean theorem and it's very 1621 00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:30,450 free masonic and you'll see it turn up 1622 00:57:33,470 --> 00:57:31,800 and it usually turns up correctly where 1623 00:57:35,810 --> 00:57:33,480 there's a secret meeting taking place or 1624 00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,820 something referencing the Sun the actual 1625 00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,680 symbol is the Pythagorean theorem it's 1626 00:57:41,870 --> 00:57:39,839 notice the 47th proposition of Euclid a 1627 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:41,880 squared plus B squared always equals C 1628 00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:42,330 squared 1629 00:57:47,660 --> 00:57:45,210 solar the one side is Osiris the Sun God 1630 00:57:49,940 --> 00:57:47,670 the other side is Virgin consort Isis 1631 00:57:52,339 --> 00:57:49,950 and what is known as the hypotenuse or C 1632 00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:52,349 squared represents a horse you'll find 1633 00:57:56,780 --> 00:57:55,020 this embedded in Washington DC with the 1634 00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:56,790 Federal Triangle the White House - the 1635 00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:58,380 Washington Monument up to the Capitol 1636 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:01,200 the hypotenuse is Pennsylvania Avenue 1637 00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:03,210 Pennsylvania the Keystone State over a 1638 00:58:08,690 --> 00:58:05,369 large reference say that for another day 1639 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:08,700 in cinema I love the one where in the 1640 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:09,930 last Star Wars movie there 1641 00:58:15,049 --> 00:58:13,170 freemasonic you have the first order you 1642 00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:15,059 know who hang out on the star killer 1643 00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,400 base there's a hole called story line 1644 00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:19,680 going one in Star Wars Episode seven 1645 00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:21,569 it's very Gnostic you have your Gnostic 1646 00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:24,420 rebels of Rey and Finn you have your 1647 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:26,520 oppressive Christians the first order 1648 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:28,290 who are in the church praying to the 1649 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:30,930 Demiurge who's an illusion very gnostic 1650 00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:32,970 the Demiurge ruling the false world the 1651 00:58:37,339 --> 00:58:35,130 material world but he's an illusion very 1652 00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:37,349 wizard of oz' sh again with the giant 1653 00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:39,420 you know figure bits an illusion there 1654 00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:41,400 you would be your oppressive Christians 1655 00:58:46,099 --> 00:58:44,130 I mean kylo Ren wields the crucifix is 1656 00:58:47,780 --> 00:58:46,109 his weapon the symbol of Christ these 1657 00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:47,790 guys want to squash out the rebels the 1658 00:58:51,589 --> 00:58:49,500 Valentinian Gnostics you want to call 1659 00:58:52,339 --> 00:58:51,599 these guys as Christians that you score 1660 00:58:54,410 --> 00:58:52,349 Starkiller base 1661 00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,420 what's the premier you know christ the 1662 00:58:58,940 --> 00:58:57,000 son or is what power Starkiller base the 1663 00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:58,950 son that's what they draw their power on 1664 00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:01,380 at the end of the movie because it's the 1665 00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,089 son the rebels are in a secret meeting 1666 00:59:07,309 --> 00:59:05,579 divulging how to destroy Starkiller base 1667 00:59:09,290 --> 00:59:07,319 they're talking about it being powered 1668 00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:09,300 by the Sun they're in a secret meeting 1669 00:59:14,510 --> 00:59:11,880 very Masonic light so of course we have 1670 00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,520 a solar oscillator where all the masonic 1671 00:59:19,549 --> 00:59:16,559 solar energy is being harnessed well 1672 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:19,559 what precinct is that in precinct 47 of 1673 00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:22,290 all things very free masonic complete 1674 00:59:26,030 --> 00:59:24,150 solar reference they're completely 1675 00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:26,040 contextually based because it's in a 1676 00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:27,780 secret meaning and you have this solar 1677 00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,030 allegory going one with Starkiller base 1678 00:59:35,539 --> 00:59:33,119 very esoteric very very free Masonic 1679 00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:35,549 Star Wars Episode seven is something I 1680 00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,380 will definitely be taking one in cinema 1681 00:59:43,069 --> 00:59:40,079 symbolism three right on man yeah that 1682 00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:43,079 Star Wars precinct 47 example was the 1683 00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:44,520 exact one I was hoping you would hit on 1684 00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:46,500 because I do think it's interesting and 1685 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:48,569 clearly in the context with the details 1686 00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:52,010 they meant it to be intentional and so 1687 00:59:57,740 --> 00:59:55,680 it's worth pointing out but man this has 1688 01:00:00,530 --> 00:59:57,750 been a really great time I'm glad we 1689 01:00:02,270 --> 01:00:00,540 could take some themes from the book and 1690 01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,280 from film and talk about how they relate 1691 01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:04,799 to the big picture as things start to 1692 01:00:09,289 --> 01:00:06,680 wrap up here what's next for you man 1693 01:00:10,339 --> 01:00:09,299 yeah absolutely well for starters Craig 1694 01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:10,349 thank you for having me on the higher 1695 01:00:14,539 --> 01:00:12,660 side sheds third time's a charm I loved 1696 01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:14,549 it I love your podcast and I look 1697 01:00:19,099 --> 01:00:16,770 forward to coming back right now I am 1698 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:19,109 actually on actually outlining three 1699 01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:21,450 books right now cinema symbolism three a 1700 01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:22,870 book on Freemason 1701 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:25,720 and a sequel to a work of fiction that I 1702 01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:28,330 just completed not too long ago the work 1703 01:00:31,980 --> 01:00:29,920 of fiction is called a pact with the 1704 01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:31,990 devil it is actually as we are doing 1705 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:33,700 this interview it is with the editor 1706 01:00:39,150 --> 01:00:36,370 right now this book will be out in 1707 01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,160 December of this year 2017 it is my 1708 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:40,720 first work of fiction I am very excited 1709 01:00:44,850 --> 01:00:43,450 about it and you know maybe we'll do 1710 01:00:46,470 --> 01:00:44,860 something on that who knows even it's 1711 01:00:47,940 --> 01:00:46,480 something short but I'm really excited 1712 01:00:50,370 --> 01:00:47,950 about it and we'll see what happens with 1713 01:00:52,050 --> 01:00:50,380 it and it'll be out like I said in a 1714 01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:52,060 couple months my first work of fiction 1715 01:00:55,980 --> 01:00:54,610 and then after that it'll probably be 1716 01:00:57,930 --> 01:00:55,990 another book called Freemasonry I've 1717 01:01:00,510 --> 01:00:57,940 begun cinema symbolism 3 I've begun 1718 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:00,520 outlining a sequel to this but my gut 1719 01:01:03,570 --> 01:01:01,810 feeling is it's gonna be another book on 1720 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:03,580 Freemasonry Toth Freemasonry in the path 1721 01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:05,590 to Babylon I've already started it and 1722 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:07,510 that's price know a year or two away but 1723 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:09,610 that'll probably be my next project mmm 1724 01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:11,710 beautiful and just to remind people 1725 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:13,270 about your website and where to get your 1726 01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:14,890 current and previous work what should 1727 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:17,680 they know yeah absolutely great very 1728 01:01:20,550 --> 01:01:19,090 easy to find on the internet my name is 1729 01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:20,560 Robert W Saul up in the fourth and 1730 01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:24,880 that's just my website it's www Sullivan 1731 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:26,710 the letter I the letter V calm for the 1732 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:30,370 fourth www Robert W Sullivan IV comm 1733 01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:33,010 links to buy the book updated events and 1734 01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:35,230 appearances links to my social media 1735 01:01:39,150 --> 01:01:37,600 follow me on Twitter you know I'm 1736 01:01:41,100 --> 01:01:39,160 constantly updating with an events 1737 01:01:43,050 --> 01:01:41,110 appearances shows like this will be on 1738 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:43,060 there links to buy my books you can get 1739 01:01:48,180 --> 01:01:45,010 the paperback you get the e-book alright 1740 01:01:51,900 --> 01:01:48,190 they're very easy to navigate www Robert 1741 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:51,910 W Sullivan IV com mmm boom there it is 1742 01:01:56,550 --> 01:01:54,730 boom there it is yeah right ah well 1743 01:01:58,620 --> 01:01:56,560 thanks again you really do understand 1744 01:02:00,840 --> 01:01:58,630 this stuff at a level that most people 1745 01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:00,850 do not so kudos to you man and keep at 1746 01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:01,090 it 1747 01:02:04,260 --> 01:02:02,800 well thank you Greg for hemulen I 1748 01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:04,270 thought the show was tremendous again 1749 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:06,670 and I look forward to coming one with a 1750 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:08,410 pact with the devil Freemason ring the 1751 01:02:12,060 --> 01:02:10,210 path to Babylon cinema symbolism three 1752 01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:12,070 we'll do it all again and it's a 1753 01:02:14,550 --> 01:02:13,510 tremendous show you're one of the best 1754 01:02:16,890 --> 01:02:14,560 at it 1755 01:02:18,660 --> 01:02:16,900 I really love your podcast I listen to 1756 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:18,670 them often and thank you again for 1757 01:02:22,590 --> 01:02:20,650 having me one right on thanks for being 1758 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:22,600 here kind words and I do look forward to 1759 01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:25,930 future shows so I'll see you later enjoy 1760 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:27,790 the rest of your day man Thank You Craig 1761 01:02:31,890 --> 01:02:30,130 alright Abra 1762 01:02:34,380 --> 01:02:31,900 debora and halleluia ladies and 1763 01:02:37,490 --> 01:02:34,390 gentlemen Robert W Sullivan the fourth 1764 01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:37,500 coming in hot with cinema symbolism - 1765 01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:39,460 something I always think will be a 1766 01:02:43,980 --> 01:02:41,710 staple for the higher side chats is 1767 01:02:45,569 --> 01:02:43,990 checking in with guys like Robert and J 1768 01:02:48,059 --> 01:02:45,579 Dyer and other people who are making 1769 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:48,069 film breakdowns their specialty because 1770 01:02:52,620 --> 01:02:50,410 it's a great gig and I really think we 1771 01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:52,630 see a lot of ritual and film a lot of 1772 01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:55,089 energy generation around archetypes and 1773 01:02:59,970 --> 01:02:56,319 symbols that we don't even really 1774 01:03:02,009 --> 01:02:59,980 understand agendas pushed it's something 1775 01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:02,019 to keep an eye on but it was really nice 1776 01:03:06,450 --> 01:03:04,630 to tackle a few films and filmmakers 1777 01:03:08,490 --> 01:03:06,460 that are off the beaten path from what's 1778 01:03:11,009 --> 01:03:08,500 typically discussed nice to talk about 1779 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:11,019 Alan Moore it was also nice to get 1780 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:13,450 Robert just a little outside of the film 1781 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:15,369 realm and get some insights into the 1782 01:03:19,499 --> 01:03:16,930 broader depths of his knowledge 1783 01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:19,509 clearly he does know a lot about a lot 1784 01:03:25,019 --> 01:03:21,910 and getting him to elaborate on John Dee 1785 01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:25,029 was a pleasant surprise I would say so I 1786 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:27,130 think this is a fun episode but 1787 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:29,049 something I woke up to this morning was 1788 01:03:33,150 --> 01:03:31,210 this Vegas shooter and of course this 1789 01:03:35,309 --> 01:03:33,160 really isn't the time and place to break 1790 01:03:37,230 --> 01:03:35,319 it down I'm trying to get oleh to come 1791 01:03:38,249 --> 01:03:37,240 back on and talk to me about it but 1792 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:38,259 there's just so many strange things 1793 01:03:43,259 --> 01:03:40,930 right off the bat the guy's name is 1794 01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:43,269 Steven paddock which paddock means 1795 01:03:49,859 --> 01:03:46,720 corral or contain a fenced enclosure 1796 01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:49,869 exactly like a concert it takes place on 1797 01:03:56,220 --> 01:03:53,460 10 1 2017 at 10:00 p.m. 1798 01:03:58,289 --> 01:03:56,230 numerologically they say zero has no 1799 01:04:01,079 --> 01:03:58,299 value and you add up the numbers in the 1800 01:04:06,690 --> 01:04:01,089 grouping so we're looking at 1 1 1 1801 01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:06,700 because 2017 2 1 7 is 10 10 would be 1 1802 01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:08,470 we're looking at a strange arrangement 1803 01:04:16,009 --> 01:04:13,089 that basically is 1001 10 at 10 the 1804 01:04:19,470 --> 01:04:16,019 festival was the route 91 9 and 110 1805 01:04:22,890 --> 01:04:19,480 Harvest Festival Harvest Festival people 1806 01:04:24,990 --> 01:04:22,900 this guy Steven paddock is a employee of 1807 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:25,000 a company that became the defense 1808 01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:26,650 contractor Lockheed Martin 1809 01:04:31,380 --> 01:04:29,410 ding-ding-ding red flag his father was a 1810 01:04:33,569 --> 01:04:31,390 bank robber on the FBI's most wanted 1811 01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:33,579 list or something I believe he was 1812 01:04:37,289 --> 01:04:35,470 arrested but there's going to be a paper 1813 01:04:39,740 --> 01:04:37,299 trail for this family whether it's 1814 01:04:42,390 --> 01:04:39,750 through Lockheed Martin or his father 1815 01:04:43,810 --> 01:04:42,400 there's also pictures of them in a [\h__\h] 1816 01:04:46,510 --> 01:04:43,820 hat during the protest 1817 01:04:48,910 --> 01:04:46,520 that were happening who knows if that 1818 01:04:51,550 --> 01:04:48,920 was a hire job or something I I mean I 1819 01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:51,560 can't say much about that but again it 1820 01:04:55,330 --> 01:04:53,210 does check some of those old lady man 1821 01:04:57,880 --> 01:04:55,340 guard boxes multiple shooters were 1822 01:04:59,680 --> 01:04:57,890 reported at the beginning reports were 1823 01:05:01,660 --> 01:04:59,690 coming in that shots were fired at New 1824 01:05:03,580 --> 01:05:01,670 York New York and the Bellagio and New 1825 01:05:05,740 --> 01:05:03,590 York New York is a 20 minute walk from 1826 01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:05,750 Mandalay Bay that's not very close 1827 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:08,900 especially in the Vegas chaos there's 1828 01:05:13,540 --> 01:05:11,330 two different windows on two entirely 1829 01:05:15,940 --> 01:05:13,550 different parts of the 32nd floor 1830 01:05:16,450 --> 01:05:15,950 knocked out one person wouldn't have 1831 01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:16,460 done that 1832 01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:19,610 why would you take ten guns like he 1833 01:05:25,450 --> 01:05:22,310 snuck ten guns and ammo up to his room 1834 01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:25,460 just one lone shooter even Dan Bilzerian 1835 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:28,940 he tweeted to the LVPD his cell phone 1836 01:05:34,180 --> 01:05:31,130 footage of a shooter in a lower window 1837 01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:34,190 of the Mandalay Bay people have also 1838 01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,520 sent me interesting diagrams that show 1839 01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:39,680 how the whole events unfolded like the 1840 01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,450 eye in the pyramid with the shooter as 1841 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:44,000 the eye up top on a thirty second floor 1842 01:05:50,290 --> 01:05:46,850 and the pyramid coming down the cone 1843 01:05:53,260 --> 01:05:50,300 coming down to cover the area that was 1844 01:05:55,060 --> 01:05:53,270 riddled with bullets apparently I mean 1845 01:05:57,130 --> 01:05:55,070 these points in aggregate whether you 1846 01:05:59,680 --> 01:05:57,140 put more stock in one thing or another 1847 01:06:01,960 --> 01:05:59,690 are interesting and then you got to 1848 01:06:05,050 --> 01:06:01,970 follow the money element because there 1849 01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:05,060 was this anonymous poster who said be 1850 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:06,950 careful in Vegas there will be an event 1851 01:06:12,250 --> 01:06:09,290 to help push the narrative that large 1852 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:12,260 high-security events are not safe it's 1853 01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:14,810 called the high incident project if the 1854 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:17,600 plan is successful Nevada will pass laws 1855 01:06:22,030 --> 01:06:19,850 requiring metal detectors backscatter 1856 01:06:24,460 --> 01:06:22,040 machines and all casinos next the 1857 01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:24,470 federal law will happen for any large 1858 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:27,140 crowded places at all schools concerts 1859 01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:29,930 whatever government buildings they're 1860 01:06:34,660 --> 01:06:31,790 all gonna need this new equipment well 1861 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:34,670 this anonymous poster says that the 1862 01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:38,330 company's OSI and share Tov make these 1863 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:41,180 machines and in 2020 these companies are 1864 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:42,770 going to merge they're gonna become one 1865 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:45,890 and the CEOs are working with this guy 1866 01:06:51,130 --> 01:06:48,290 Sheldon Adelson I didn't really know 1867 01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:51,140 anything about Sheldon Adelson my wife 1868 01:06:56,260 --> 01:06:54,020 actually was doing some looking in on to 1869 01:06:57,309 --> 01:06:56,270 this guy and found that he was one of 1870 01:07:00,130 --> 01:06:57,319 the biggest 1871 01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:00,140 of Hillary Clinton over the Whitewater 1872 01:07:05,229 --> 01:07:02,390 scandal couple articles actually used 1873 01:07:07,779 --> 01:07:05,239 the word nemesis and then right before 1874 01:07:09,849 --> 01:07:07,789 the election in September this guy 1875 01:07:13,269 --> 01:07:09,859 Sheldon Adelson comes out in a big way 1876 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:13,279 in support of Clinton saying Trump is so 1877 01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:16,130 dangerous that we really need to ignore 1878 01:07:20,769 --> 01:07:18,049 little scandals like whitewater and I'm 1879 01:07:23,170 --> 01:07:20,779 fully in support of Hillary well that's 1880 01:07:25,749 --> 01:07:23,180 kind of strange because these gun 1881 01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:25,759 control type of events seem to come from 1882 01:07:32,829 --> 01:07:29,359 the left side so we have this guy 1883 01:07:34,989 --> 01:07:32,839 Sheldon Adelson who is involved in 1884 01:07:38,109 --> 01:07:34,999 making money off the security devices 1885 01:07:40,180 --> 01:07:38,119 that would be implemented because of 1886 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:40,190 events like this and sure enough Hillary 1887 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:42,170 Clinton she rolled out a couple of gun 1888 01:07:48,459 --> 01:07:44,930 control tweets this morning right on cue 1889 01:07:50,890 --> 01:07:48,469 it does just seem like a little bit too 1890 01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:50,900 convenient of a case of problem reaction 1891 01:07:56,439 --> 01:07:53,209 solution your left hand creates the 1892 01:08:00,489 --> 01:07:56,449 event your right hand sells the devices 1893 01:08:03,189 --> 01:08:00,499 for security in these types of 1894 01:08:06,579 --> 01:08:03,199 situations now a lot of those details 1895 01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:06,589 come from an anonymous post but I think 1896 01:08:12,759 --> 01:08:09,920 it is pretty sound I don't know that is 1897 01:08:14,829 --> 01:08:12,769 a wild tangent it's just so on my mind 1898 01:08:17,229 --> 01:08:14,839 right now and that's just what I've 1899 01:08:19,450 --> 01:08:17,239 picked up on or been sent in the first 1900 01:08:21,329 --> 01:08:19,460 couple hours and it does check a lot of 1901 01:08:24,339 --> 01:08:21,339 those same old boxes that make us wonder 1902 01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:24,349 it has for this show to get back to it I 1903 01:08:28,059 --> 01:08:26,089 really was interested in the occult 1904 01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:28,069 casting aspect I think there's a lot of 1905 01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,250 meat on that bone I bet Robert could do 1906 01:08:35,709 --> 01:08:33,920 a whole book just on that element I also 1907 01:08:38,169 --> 01:08:35,719 think the gatekeeper element is huge 1908 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:38,179 does someone like JK Rowling actually 1909 01:08:42,099 --> 01:08:40,130 just come up with a saga like Harry 1910 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:42,109 Potter and it just goes viral in a 1911 01:08:47,919 --> 01:08:44,810 completely natural sense and contains 1912 01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:47,929 all this deep esoteric stuff I think 1913 01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,909 it's unlikely people have to be told 1914 01:08:54,339 --> 01:08:52,159 about this on TV oh this great new book 1915 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:54,349 series everyone's talking about got to 1916 01:08:57,339 --> 01:08:55,730 get her on The Today Show on The Tonight 1917 01:08:59,740 --> 01:08:57,349 Show I mean that's how things are made 1918 01:09:01,479 --> 01:08:59,750 popular right I actually remember it 1919 01:09:03,609 --> 01:09:01,489 being weird that a book series was so 1920 01:09:06,069 --> 01:09:03,619 popular I remember thinking this really 1921 01:09:07,870 --> 01:09:06,079 hasn't happened before sure if a movie 1922 01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,880 comes out or HBO announces they're going 1923 01:09:10,590 --> 01:09:09,679 to be making a show people will go back 1924 01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:10,600 and read the source 1925 01:09:15,870 --> 01:09:12,640 material but there was never a book 1926 01:09:18,270 --> 01:09:15,880 series that everyone I knew was reading 1927 01:09:20,370 --> 01:09:18,280 not since goosebumps so I did think it 1928 01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:20,380 was a little odd people I knew who were 1929 01:09:23,849 --> 01:09:22,000 just never compelled to read a book 1930 01:09:25,830 --> 01:09:23,859 suddenly they were obsessed with this 1931 01:09:27,810 --> 01:09:25,840 series and then when you break down that 1932 01:09:29,670 --> 01:09:27,820 symbolism in the depth of all of it and 1933 01:09:32,430 --> 01:09:29,680 that it's some retelling of the same 1934 01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:32,440 archetypal story she had to have some 1935 01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:34,270 kind of esoteric knowledge and if she 1936 01:09:38,190 --> 01:09:35,950 had the knowledge I think that makes her 1937 01:09:40,830 --> 01:09:38,200 a good candidate for being in the club 1938 01:09:43,170 --> 01:09:40,840 you could also say the gatekeepers are 1939 01:09:44,670 --> 01:09:43,180 just curators looking for things that do 1940 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:44,680 contain what they're looking for and 1941 01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:46,570 then they bring that person up it's hard 1942 01:09:51,540 --> 01:09:49,000 to know exactly the order in which it 1943 01:09:55,020 --> 01:09:51,550 happens but it's just too coincidental 1944 01:09:57,390 --> 01:09:55,030 for these major breakout successes to be 1945 01:09:59,390 --> 01:09:57,400 archetypal stories to encode myths the 1946 01:10:01,650 --> 01:09:59,400 way they do it's just strange right 1947 01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:01,660 maybe our subconscious azar just 1948 01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:03,370 attracted to those things like moths to 1949 01:10:08,490 --> 01:10:06,280 flames maybe it's a soup of all these 1950 01:10:10,770 --> 01:10:08,500 things but it's worth examining in that 1951 01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:10,780 regard and it's not really to say that 1952 01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:12,730 there's anything wrong with that I guess 1953 01:10:17,460 --> 01:10:15,670 just at the highest heights are reserved 1954 01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:17,470 for things that serve a purpose beyond 1955 01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:19,720 just entertainment they embody something 1956 01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:22,630 at least that's my opinion they're both 1957 01:10:27,810 --> 01:10:25,630 selected and attractive because of what 1958 01:10:30,570 --> 01:10:27,820 they encode it's just a nice thing to 1959 01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:30,580 stay educated on the more movies we hear 1960 01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:32,350 analyzed the better we get at picking 1961 01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:34,860 stuff out honing in on that skillset 1962 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:37,120 much like the way these lone shooter 1963 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:38,890 scenarios seem to follow the same 1964 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:41,050 template the more familiar we get with 1965 01:10:45,330 --> 01:10:43,570 it the better we get at analyzing it so 1966 01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:45,340 power to the people 1967 01:10:50,340 --> 01:10:47,350 I also wanted to remind you guys about 1968 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:50,350 THC live at the Ice House in Pasadena 1969 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:52,810 along with tinfoil hat October 10th it's 1970 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:54,850 only ten bucks come out and see me so I 1971 01:10:59,280 --> 01:10:57,610 don't feel stupid a lot of these comics 1972 01:11:01,230 --> 01:10:59,290 have been around for a long time they've 1973 01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:01,240 got audiences people come out to see 1974 01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:03,190 them and it's a real risk for me I don't 1975 01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:04,990 do live event so I'm already kind of 1976 01:11:09,630 --> 01:11:07,270 uncomfortable with it and it's a bit 1977 01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:09,640 risky to just hope that a lot of people 1978 01:11:14,430 --> 01:11:11,110 are going to come out and support you so 1979 01:11:17,130 --> 01:11:14,440 my life is in your hands dudes my life 1980 01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,140 is in your hands also as always sign up 1981 01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,880 for plus just because you want to hear 1982 01:11:22,770 --> 01:11:20,560 more from the higher side it's an extra 1983 01:11:23,980 --> 01:11:22,780 hour to every show this week we got into 1984 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:23,990 the Joker's and 1985 01:11:28,750 --> 01:11:26,330 teaming of the hanged man tarot card in 1986 01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:28,760 multiple films teros relationship to 1987 01:11:33,700 --> 01:11:30,530 kabbalah and how they both relate to 1988 01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:33,710 Freemasonry and Robin Hood magic masonry 1989 01:11:37,870 --> 01:11:35,300 and the church archetypes of the 1990 01:11:39,670 --> 01:11:37,880 spaghetti western genre the shining in 1991 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:39,680 the moon landing and how Roberts 1992 01:11:44,130 --> 01:11:42,170 background as a freemason colors the 1993 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:44,140 lens in which he views the moon landings 1994 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:46,850 not that it's good bad wrong or right 1995 01:11:52,180 --> 01:11:49,370 it's just interesting because we hear 1996 01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:52,190 Freemasonry thrown around so often in 1997 01:11:55,990 --> 01:11:54,050 regards to the moon landings and the 1998 01:11:58,690 --> 01:11:56,000 astronauts and whatever might have 1999 01:12:01,060 --> 01:11:58,700 happened that it's interesting to hear 2000 01:12:03,700 --> 01:12:01,070 what a 32nd degree Freemason thinks of 2001 01:12:05,500 --> 01:12:03,710 that event we also got into Eyes Wide 2002 01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:05,510 Shut how can you not and then in the 2003 01:12:09,580 --> 01:12:07,520 same vein as some of the moon landing 2004 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:09,590 stuff I asked Robert how we can rectify 2005 01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:11,930 political and historical figures who 2006 01:12:16,570 --> 01:12:13,700 have abused power and caused suffering 2007 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:16,580 being Freemasons or belonging to certain 2008 01:12:20,530 --> 01:12:18,170 groups and not condemning the whole 2009 01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:20,540 group itself it's an interesting thing 2010 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:23,600 another real nugget of information I 2011 01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:25,370 enjoyed was the relationship between the 2012 01:12:29,740 --> 01:12:27,500 original Illuminati and the Jesuits and 2013 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:29,750 of course the Warriors as a Gnostic 2014 01:12:33,670 --> 01:12:31,490 perspective so just a lot of interesting 2015 01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:33,680 stuff as always you're already listened 2016 01:12:37,630 --> 01:12:35,510 to the first hour it's 5 bucks a month 2017 01:12:38,590 --> 01:12:37,640 to get the whole show help me out here 2018 01:12:41,380 --> 01:12:38,600 help yourself 2019 01:12:43,450 --> 01:12:41,390 are you not entertained either way 2020 01:12:45,730 --> 01:12:43,460 thanks for sticking around and hopefully 2021 01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:45,740 you find a reason worth signing up for 2022 01:12:50,190 --> 01:12:48,050 but I'm gonna get out of here please 2023 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:50,200 come to the Ice House on October 10 2024 01:12:54,610 --> 01:12:52,010 hopefully I'll see you there 2025 01:12:56,590 --> 01:12:54,620 your move occult casters cinema saucers 2026 01:13:09,150 --> 01:12:56,600 and makers of that sweet sweet 8 2027 01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:13,490 [Music] 2028 01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:25,560 everybody's use find you some of them 2029 01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:30,400 want to abuse you some of them 2030 01:13:57,870 --> 01:13:39,820 [Music] 2031 01:14:00,880 --> 01:13:57,880 [Applause] 2032 01:14:13,470 --> 01:14:00,890 every Sunday